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  3. Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat.

Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat.

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  • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

    Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

    ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

    ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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    #3

    @StefanAlvemo Hungary has an election this year. If they choose a normal leader, it could return Hungary to a normal EU state instead of a USSR admirer using its membership to sabotage EU.

    stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS ilka4you@mastodon.socialI 2 Replies Last reply
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    • jfmezei@cosocial.caJ jfmezei@cosocial.ca

      @StefanAlvemo Hungary has an election this year. If they choose a normal leader, it could return Hungary to a normal EU state instead of a USSR admirer using its membership to sabotage EU.

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      #4

      @jfmezei To be clear: this isn't about punishing the Hungarian people, but forcing a choice. They need to understand that their upcoming election is effectively a referendum on the EU. You cannot reap the benefits of the union while sabotaging its security from within. Either you're in, or you're out.

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      • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

        Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

        ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

        https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

        ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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        #5

        @StefanAlvemo love to see the colours Ursula is wearing
        Total support

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        • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

          @jfmezei To be clear: this isn't about punishing the Hungarian people, but forcing a choice. They need to understand that their upcoming election is effectively a referendum on the EU. You cannot reap the benefits of the union while sabotaging its security from within. Either you're in, or you're out.

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          #6

          @StefanAlvemo I agree. This is similar to USA where people voted for a lying entertainer because he promised a good show while the other candidate was boring. Hopefully Hungarians not only realise their mistake, but more importantly have a palatable other candidate to vote for.

          We have seen UK voluntarily leave EU, but not sure there is a mechanism to expell a member. In the end, they need EU2 (coalition of the willing) that is without Hungary. Just as NATO2 without USA.

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          • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

            Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

            ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

            https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

            ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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            sjoba@mastodon.social
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            #7

            @StefanAlvemo
            Just det!

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            • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

              Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

              ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

              https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

              ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

              swoonie@mastodon.ieS This user is from outside of this forum
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              #8

              @StefanAlvemo
              Look at a map of Europe. If you expel Hungary, and perhaps Slovakia too, then you have a wedge of Russia allies that goes from the EU's eastern border right to the gates of Central Europe. It would be extremely dangerous to ever let that happen. A major strategic win for Putin.

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              • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                #9

                @StefanAlvemo Maybe it is time to get rid of the whole veto thing, both in the EU and in the UN.

                stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS mchollander@mastodon.chasalin.nlM edgeofeurope@mastodon.socialE 3 Replies Last reply
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                • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                  Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                  ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                  https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                  ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                  samiamsam@mastodon.social
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                  #10

                  @StefanAlvemo

                  boot hungary

                  add Ukraine immediately

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                  • swoonie@mastodon.ieS swoonie@mastodon.ie

                    @StefanAlvemo
                    Look at a map of Europe. If you expel Hungary, and perhaps Slovakia too, then you have a wedge of Russia allies that goes from the EU's eastern border right to the gates of Central Europe. It would be extremely dangerous to ever let that happen. A major strategic win for Putin.

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                    #11

                    @swoonie @StefanAlvemo Didn't we just finish financing a rail link to Ukraine via Hungary? Punching a hole in the EU map right on Ukraine's border seems a bit shortsighted given the timelines involved in even the most rushed EU Treaty change process. By the time we'd have a mechanism in place, Orbán's cholesterol will have long put him out of commission.

                    That said, I don't mind this being THE casus belli for treaty change, it just wouldn't even make it into my top 10 priorities for #EUreform

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                    • markdevries@mstdn.socialM markdevries@mstdn.social

                      @StefanAlvemo Maybe it is time to get rid of the whole veto thing, both in the EU and in the UN.

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                      #12

                      @markdevries Completely agree... in favour of Qualified Majority.

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                      • jfmezei@cosocial.caJ jfmezei@cosocial.ca

                        @StefanAlvemo I agree. This is similar to USA where people voted for a lying entertainer because he promised a good show while the other candidate was boring. Hopefully Hungarians not only realise their mistake, but more importantly have a palatable other candidate to vote for.

                        We have seen UK voluntarily leave EU, but not sure there is a mechanism to expell a member. In the end, they need EU2 (coalition of the willing) that is without Hungary. Just as NATO2 without USA.

                        sobex@social.sciences.reS This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #13

                        @jfmezei @StefanAlvemo There is a mechanism to suspend a member , the problem is that you need everyone else to agree, and there are currently two countries sabotaging.

                        (Used to be PL - HU, now it is Slovakia and HU iirc)

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                        • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                          Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                          ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                          https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                          ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                          #14

                          @StefanAlvemo I agree (I think) in principle; but it's the how that troubles me: there isn't really an effective mechanism under the Treaties that will allow this, afaik.

                          Or has that changed? 🤞🏼

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                          • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                            Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                            ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                            https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                            ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                            falcennial@mastodon.social
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                            #15

                            @StefanAlvemo one time was too many. the enemy states should be forced into submission.

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                            • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                              Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                              ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                              https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                              ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                              #16

                              @StefanAlvemo
                              Nope. We should work around them.
                              @trending_bot

                              #EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                              • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                                Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                                ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                                https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                                ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                                robo105@mastodon.social
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                                #17

                                @StefanAlvemo How about we trade Hungary for all of Ukraine which would include Crimea of course

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                                • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                                  Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                                  ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                                  https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                                  ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                                  #18

                                  @StefanAlvemo Putin's sitting at the EU table.
                                  On Orban's shoulders.

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                                  • jfmezei@cosocial.caJ jfmezei@cosocial.ca

                                    @StefanAlvemo I agree. This is similar to USA where people voted for a lying entertainer because he promised a good show while the other candidate was boring. Hopefully Hungarians not only realise their mistake, but more importantly have a palatable other candidate to vote for.

                                    We have seen UK voluntarily leave EU, but not sure there is a mechanism to expell a member. In the end, they need EU2 (coalition of the willing) that is without Hungary. Just as NATO2 without USA.

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                                    gerardthornley@hachyderm.io
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                                    #19

                                    @jfmezei @StefanAlvemo Just to note that us (the UK) leaving the EU was voluntary in a collective sense - a majority did vote for it - but for a great number of us as individuals, the loss was not voluntary and quite painful. I'm sure that's understood, but I felt it is important to make sure the nuance is not lost.

                                    I do hope that orban gets decisively rejected in the election. If not, the country ought to be sanctioned in some way, although there's a danger that pushing them out would move the country more explicitly closer to the "axis powers."

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                                    • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                                      Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                                      ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                                      https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                                      ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                                      wlonk@mastodon.transneptune.net
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                                      #20

                                      @StefanAlvemo @mariyadelano I feel like we saw all this play out with the Sejm in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth before.

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                                      • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                                        Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                                        ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                                        https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                                        ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                                        #21

                                        @StefanAlvemo

                                        The fossil fuel industry is proposing dismantling the EU for daring a fossil fuel phase out.
                                        https://www.desmog.com/2025/03/14/heritage-foundation-project-2025-allies-mcc-ordo-iuris-discuss-dismantling-the-eu-european-union/

                                        The EU gains autonomy, agency, & sovereignty by switching to renewable energy.
                                        https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/politics/right-wing-push-to-dismantle-the-eu-heritage-foundations-private-workshop/

                                        Instead of billions going to oil oligarchs & petrostate despots, that money stays home & builds an improved EU with Ukraine as a member.
                                        https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/21/revealed-oil-sectors-staggering-profits-last-50-years

                                        Fossil fuel phase out defunds Putin's wars.

                                        https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/eu-propose-permanent-ban-russian-oil-after-hungary-election-document-shows-2026-02-24/

                                        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/24/ukraine-war-briefing-russia-exporting-more-oil-now-than-before-war-despite-sanctions-report

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                                        • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                                          Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                                          ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                                          https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                                          ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                                          #22

                                          @StefanAlvemo Unión de Egos europeos.
                                          Este teatro no da para tanto actor que en vez de ensayar va por libre e improvisa. No, no hay democracia en la UE. Quienes dirigen el parlamento de la unión, son los primeros en ser elegidos a dedo y son los mismos a lo largo del tiempo, ocupando diferentes puestos.
                                          El veto, es anacrónico, una herramienta de poder de mitad del siglo XX.
                                          Quien no quiera construir, solo imponer a la fuerza, que se le indique cual el camino de salida y decida si lo toma o no.

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