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  3. Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat.

Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat.

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  • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

    Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

    ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

    ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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    ef@mastodon.bsd.cafe
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    #29

    @StefanAlvemo and where would Hungary [and Estonoa] go if they were ejected? Feel the 100% agreement in votes needs amending so one or more coumtries camnot endlessly veto

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    • oneiros@ruhr.socialO oneiros@ruhr.social

      @StefanAlvemo
      Nope. We should work around them.
      @trending_bot

      #EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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      #30

      @oneiros I'm with Mark on this Expelling them gives Russia even more foothold. A large part of the population of Hungary (and Slovakia) want to be in the EU. What we need to get rid of is the power to Veto.

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      • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

        Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

        ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

        https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

        ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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        #31

        @StefanAlvemo funky idea: if hungary agrees, it's a loan, if hungary does not agree, it's a donation.

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        • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

          Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

          ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

          https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

          ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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          #32

          @StefanAlvemo I boosted but with the caveat that many in Hungary will be opposed to the orban regime - as with other states under an autocratic rule.

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          • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

            Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

            ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

            https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

            ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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            petr90@mastodonczech.cz
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            #33

            @StefanAlvemo 👍 👍 👍

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            • jfmezei@cosocial.caJ jfmezei@cosocial.ca

              @GerardThornley @StefanAlvemo The EU is funding extention of standard gauge rail into Ukraine. They prioritized the Uzhhorod-Chop segment (across river from Zahony Hungary) to make Hungary feel more important within the EU.

              https://transport.ec.europa.eu/news-events/news/new-eu-funded-railway-line-brings-ukraine-even-closer-eu-2025-09-05_en

              (Next is the more important link to connect Lviv to Poland) expected by 2027.)

              I think Europe has played it to make it easier to re-integrate Hungary as soon as its people throw out Orban).

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              gerardthornley@hachyderm.io
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              #34

              @jfmezei @StefanAlvemo Aye. For the most part, I think European politics is quite smart, and that seems a sensible approach.

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              • dfgomes@mastodon.socialD dfgomes@mastodon.social

                @StefanAlvemo Sadly most western EU leaders serve a foreign power. It seems Hungary is one of the few who don’t. We need more leaders like Hungary and less traitors like Ursula & co.

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                #35

                @dfgomes @StefanAlvemo utter rubbish.

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                • jfmezei@cosocial.caJ jfmezei@cosocial.ca

                  @StefanAlvemo Hungary has an election this year. If they choose a normal leader, it could return Hungary to a normal EU state instead of a USSR admirer using its membership to sabotage EU.

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                  #36

                  @jfmezei @StefanAlvemo I am worried though Orban is supported by RUS, USA & IT figures like Musk, Besos, Zuckerberg to manipulate the election. It just now comes to light the last USA election has been manipulated to Felon 47s favour.

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                  • jfmezei@cosocial.caJ jfmezei@cosocial.ca

                    @StefanAlvemo I agree. This is similar to USA where people voted for a lying entertainer because he promised a good show while the other candidate was boring. Hopefully Hungarians not only realise their mistake, but more importantly have a palatable other candidate to vote for.

                    We have seen UK voluntarily leave EU, but not sure there is a mechanism to expell a member. In the end, they need EU2 (coalition of the willing) that is without Hungary. Just as NATO2 without USA.

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                    #37

                    @jfmezei @StefanAlvemo Hungarian ppl oppose Orban, but they are supressed & IMO he is not afraid to manipulate elections. There is currently no possibility to legally expell EU members. Sanctions/penalties/exclusion from votes are possible but decisions have to be unanimous. This is exactly where reform is needed, unanimous is a kill switch.

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                    • kcpoole@mastodon.auK kcpoole@mastodon.au

                      @StefanAlvemo love to see the colours Ursula is wearing
                      Total support

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                      #38

                      @kcpoole @StefanAlvemo they are UKR & EU colors, so quite a statement. 👍

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                      • swoonie@mastodon.ieS swoonie@mastodon.ie

                        @StefanAlvemo
                        Look at a map of Europe. If you expel Hungary, and perhaps Slovakia too, then you have a wedge of Russia allies that goes from the EU's eastern border right to the gates of Central Europe. It would be extremely dangerous to ever let that happen. A major strategic win for Putin.

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                        #39

                        @swoonie @StefanAlvemo agreed. There are better ways: sanction, cut off financial aid (Hungary is draining quite some money while kicking EU in the nuts), exclude from votes.BUT currently all this had to be decided unanimously, this needs to change.

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                        • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                          Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                          ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                          https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                          ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                          #40

                          @StefanAlvemo

                          Don't worry, soon Hungary won't be a problem anymore:

                          Orban’s Poll Support Crumbles as Hungary Opposition Widens Lead
                          https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-02-25/orban-s-poll-support-crumbles-as-hungary-opposition-widens-lead

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                          • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                            Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                            ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                            https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                            ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                            #41

                            @StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna Be careful what you wish for. There might come a time when the majority isn’t right or behaves against a particular national interest.

                            Even in this case, a country is entitled to disagree. If anyone going against a majority automatically equals they are a trojan horse, it’s becoming a slippery slope. Democracy can’t become a tyranny of the majority.

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                            • jirirbr@mastodonczech.czJ jirirbr@mastodonczech.cz

                              @StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna Be careful what you wish for. There might come a time when the majority isn’t right or behaves against a particular national interest.

                              Even in this case, a country is entitled to disagree. If anyone going against a majority automatically equals they are a trojan horse, it’s becoming a slippery slope. Democracy can’t become a tyranny of the majority.

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                              #42

                              @jirirbr @StefanAlvemo Generally, you are right. In this particular example with Hungary and Slovakia, nope. They *ARE* Troyan horses of our fascist enemy.

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                              • stefanalvemo@mastodon.socialS stefanalvemo@mastodon.social

                                Bypassing Hungary to fund Ukraine proves one thing: the veto is a security threat. We cannot build European autonomy with Trojan horses inside our walls. It’s time to create legal mechanisms to expel states acting as foreign agents. Enough is enough.

                                ​Boost if you agree: Remove internal saboteurs.

                                https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vows-ukraine-e90b-loan-bypass-hungary-block/

                                ​#EU #Hungary #Ukraine #Geopolitics #Security #EuropeanUnion #Europe #EUpol

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                                #43

                                @StefanAlvemo #HungaryOutUkraineIn

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                                • markdevries@mstdn.socialM markdevries@mstdn.social

                                  @StefanAlvemo Maybe it is time to get rid of the whole veto thing, both in the EU and in the UN.

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                                  #44

                                  @markdevries @StefanAlvemo I'm betting someone will veto that

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                                  • markdevries@mstdn.socialM markdevries@mstdn.social

                                    @StefanAlvemo Maybe it is time to get rid of the whole veto thing, both in the EU and in the UN.

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                                    #45

                                    @markdevries @StefanAlvemo I am sure that the very existence of vetos blocks their removal

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                                    • jirirbr@mastodonczech.czJ jirirbr@mastodonczech.cz

                                      @StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna Be careful what you wish for. There might come a time when the majority isn’t right or behaves against a particular national interest.

                                      Even in this case, a country is entitled to disagree. If anyone going against a majority automatically equals they are a trojan horse, it’s becoming a slippery slope. Democracy can’t become a tyranny of the majority.

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                                      #46

                                      @jirirbr @StefanAlvemo @piratzbrna "behaves against a particular national interest" Oh no, not the particular national interest...
                                      It's against the particular interest of my lungs and of the health of thousands of Europeans killed every year by coal pollution emanating from Germany and Poland to continue to burn coal. Poland and Hungary decided that vetoing legislation against it was their supreme national interest and my lungs were a sacrifice they were willing to make. Fuck national interest.

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                                      • ly2en@chaos.socialL ly2en@chaos.social

                                        @StefanAlvemo this is not about boosting but about contacting your MEP representative

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                                        #47

                                        @ly2en @StefanAlvemo Why your MEP? What can your MEP do about it?

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                                        • wlonk@mastodon.transneptune.netW wlonk@mastodon.transneptune.net

                                          @StefanAlvemo @mariyadelano I feel like we saw all this play out with the Sejm in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth before.

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                                          #48

                                          @wlonk @StefanAlvemo @mariyadelano Someone wrote a whole book about why it was a shit idea 240 years ago, it's not like we lack hindsight.

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