I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
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@raymaccarthy @ravenbait @sundogplanets OK. What is supposed to be isn't what is. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. We all know they are stealing.
@RegGuy @ravenbait @sundogplanets The point is that the bot/agent/llm whatever doesn't have any permissions inherited from the user being sent a document for comment. It's simply illegal copying in same sense as uploading to file sharing and publishing the link on every social media.
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@RegGuy @ravenbait @sundogplanets The point is that the bot/agent/llm whatever doesn't have any permissions inherited from the user being sent a document for comment. It's simply illegal copying in same sense as uploading to file sharing and publishing the link on every social media.
@raymaccarthy @ravenbait @sundogplanets Yeah, it was given the document, and I'm 99.99% sure it sucked it into its system and will use it freely as it does everything else it illegally obtained. Thus my op on the subject. It's moot that it's illegal; it's what these "AI" monstrosities do.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets your reply should be based on consent. They violated you.
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@sundogplanets @ravenbait I wouldn't bother about saying it politely. I'd be furious.
@dissident @sundogplanets @ravenbait
I would be sorely tempted to say: Sorry you didn't have time to look over my work. If the future just let me know you're busy. Thanks...
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@raymaccarthy @ravenbait @sundogplanets Yeah, it was given the document, and I'm 99.99% sure it sucked it into its system and will use it freely as it does everything else it illegally obtained. Thus my op on the subject. It's moot that it's illegal; it's what these "AI" monstrosities do.
@RegGuy @ravenbait @sundogplanets
I don't think it is moot. -
I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
I asked for YOUR help, not chatGPT. If I had no environmental/ethical/cognitive concerns about this technology, I could have fed my document into the slop machine without your assistance.
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@iamnmm @sundogplanets Last time I talked to this specific person, he said that his job was "being a meat terminal for Claude". He said this with apparent *pride*.
I have avoided him since.
@datarama @iamnmm @sundogplanets
"We are the Borg. Cognition is futile."
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@sundogplanets one of my childhood best friends and I recently had to have this conversation and it was rough and I definitely yelled and cried. I can only imagine how much harder it will be with a colleague where you’re expected to maintain composure.
No advice, just sending some moral support. These tough conversations are how we work to dismantle this mess.
@mjg @sundogplanets I don't know but that "I asked for YOUR input. If I'd wanted input from ChatGPT, I would have asked ChatGPT." I guess I'm not understanding why any longer conversation is necessary.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets
Having been blown away by them once, you'd give them a second chance to be rude? -
I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets ai:dr
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
Just add on future documents on every page:
NO AI TRAINING: Without in any way limiting the author’s [and publisher’s] exclusive rights under copyright, any use of this publication to “train”
This was in a reddit post
Add this text to your copyright page to protect yourself from AI
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I really appreciate all the great advice and suggestions. I'm just... so disappointed and know I have to approach all my interactions with this person differently in the future. I've written up a long email, but I'm realizing that won't work as well as having a conversation with the person. Especially because I'm likely to start crying during the conversation. So. That's going to be FUN.
But maybe it will help one person be less addicted to the forest-burning plagiarism machine? Maybe?
@sundogplanets
This really, really sucks. 🫂
Due to ways how my brain is broken I feel afraid to tell colleagues that I think they are deeply wrong, and yet saying nothing eats me up, be it queer issues or AI. I'm currently mostly sticking so simple things, drawing borders like "no AI in this paper", "don't send me AI output" etc., because that at least helps me on my everyday stuff. Each day when nobody sends me AI garbage is a bit better. But I do feel kinda lonely in my opinions and ethics. -
Have the difficult conversation but follow it up with an email to reiterate your points.
I've had to do this a few times in the latter part of my career
@cmsdengl @sundogplanets YES.
Because ... this is real stuff. It's hard but .... it's worth it even if results aren't obvious. -
I really appreciate all the great advice and suggestions. I'm just... so disappointed and know I have to approach all my interactions with this person differently in the future. I've written up a long email, but I'm realizing that won't work as well as having a conversation with the person. Especially because I'm likely to start crying during the conversation. So. That's going to be FUN.
But maybe it will help one person be less addicted to the forest-burning plagiarism machine? Maybe?
@sundogplanets I made this just a few days ago about that very thing:
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
"I sent it to you because I wanted _your_ comments and advice on this. If you don't have the time to read it, please just say so. Being foisted off onto a reply generator like that is just hurtful."
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets I mean... "if I wanted chatgpt's output I could have gotten that myself. I wanted *your* thoughts" seems to the point. Sometimes I think people need to experience the pushback. We all need friction or we'd be the worst versions of ourselves
many hugs
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets On top of everything else about AI, what makes me sad is how much it has endangered digital communication because at any moment, anyone anywhere can just read your work into the slop system and then it’s stuck there. It’s a billion points of failure weighed against the basic necessity of scientific collaboration.
And they think it helps you, or them, or even the model, but it just makes everything more insular, and that sucks.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets - perhaps, hear me out…SUCKERSIMA GOATAND NOW YOUR ASS HURTS!!… no really, as if all political tweets, and toots aren’t at least facetimed…and good old Academic footnotes (YAY TEAM HARRIS) should be showing your work - keylogging and real time progress like the proud and frustrated #Artists of this superbombastic #elephantastic Mastadon often provide to the delight of those lovers of the real light
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@RegGuy @ravenbait @sundogplanets
I don't think it is moot.@raymaccarthy @RegGuy @ravenbait @sundogplanets Was the original manuscript written in Word? Google Docs? sent via e-mail on a Microsoft or Google platform? Do any of these companies, even if they trumpet FERPA compliance, restrict what they feed their AI?
I really don't think you can hope for anonymity and a scrape-free experience in 2026 unless you're using LibreOffice on a system unplugged from the net.
But no. Fuck this "colleague."
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
That was a passive-agressive response. They could have just said no time or interest in doing review.
