I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
Love having my work fed into the plagiarism machine by friends too impatient to think for themselves.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets Here's how my communications have "evolved"
People instruct claude code to write or simply clean-up 20 pages of code. The developer has claude code write a "PR", which basically says, "here's what all these changes do and why I did them". And it's like 20 pages long.
So what do I do? I have started literally pasting their fucking PRs into Claude and saying, "Find the flaws in this PR and write a denial with 10 pages of detail for them to respond to"
And.... I'm sure they have AI respond to that..... etc..etc..etc....
It's the automated level of , "As per my previous email...."
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets 🫤 I don't understand why people can't at least understand "if I wanted the LLM's analysis, I could have prompted it myself". Do they think they're doing you a favour by burning their tokens instead?
Of course, what I'd really want is for them to understand why "I didn't have time or interest to read your document, but I wanted to make sure that you had a long response to read" is such an insult to a colleague.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets @irene God that is incredibly rude. Holy cow.
But that’s how I’d approach it: someone just did the equivalent of a door-slam-in-face-and-lock-the-door level rudeness.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets unsolicited suggestion so ignore as approp
but I'd focus on the personal betrayal rather than the larger ethical and geopolitical issues. This is someone you've trusted and relied on and asked for help. And they didn't respect that request and instead delegated it to a machine. You could have used the chat bot too but you thought your (formerly) trusted colleague would give you some personal help. And they didn't respect that request.
This makes it personal for them too.
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@ravenbait@mastodon.scot @frincon@social.sciences.re @sundogplanets@mastodon.social Maybe you could sneak it into an
X-header?@kim @frincon @sundogplanets I don't have that kind of access, unfortunately.
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@sundogplanets Years later, I'm still reeling from when someone, during an actual face-to-face conversation, took out his phone to ask ChatGPT what to say to me.
@datarama @sundogplanets Are these people self-aware? Are they even actual people? I'm not so sure anymore.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets Yeesh. My sympathies.
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@datarama @sundogplanets Are these people self-aware? Are they even actual people? I'm not so sure anymore.
@iamnmm @sundogplanets Last time I talked to this specific person, he said that his job was "being a meat terminal for Claude". He said this with apparent *pride*.
I have avoided him since.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets I would probably send back a polite message indicating that you are perfectly capable of operating a chatbot as well, and that what you wanted was their specifically human perspective, and I would pad that with some sort of statement about how much esteem you have heretofore had for their particular intellect, and how sad it is to be denied that in favor of anti-thought.
This leaves the way open for them to be thoughtful, if they have not completely lost that capacity yet. You could well save them, who knows.
Your call whether to indicate that this will otherwise be the last time you come to them for that, but obviously that has to be the case; it is entirely possible that sending back a ChatGPT result was, in fact, an implied statement of their contempt for you and your worthiness of their time and thought.
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@iamnmm @sundogplanets Last time I talked to this specific person, he said that his job was "being a meat terminal for Claude". He said this with apparent *pride*.
I have avoided him since.
@datarama @sundogplanets being proud to not contribute anything, ignorant of the fact that such people will be the first to be made obsolete and laid off, and then will most likely whine and moan and blame AI when they are being laid off.
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I really appreciate all the great advice and suggestions. I'm just... so disappointed and know I have to approach all my interactions with this person differently in the future. I've written up a long email, but I'm realizing that won't work as well as having a conversation with the person. Especially because I'm likely to start crying during the conversation. So. That's going to be FUN.
But maybe it will help one person be less addicted to the forest-burning plagiarism machine? Maybe?
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@sundogplanets @ravenbait I'm wondering if we shouldn't put an explicit clause at the beginning of all our emails with an attachment -- "this is copyrighted material, please do not feed any of the content or attachments of this email into an AI"
@frincon @sundogplanets @ravenbait Unless you own the mail server, it's being used anyway. Guarantee it.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets I'm sorry that sucks so much
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@iamnmm @sundogplanets Last time I talked to this specific person, he said that his job was "being a meat terminal for Claude". He said this with apparent *pride*.
I have avoided him since.
@datarama
meat terminal!? 🥶 @iamnmm @sundogplanets -
I really appreciate all the great advice and suggestions. I'm just... so disappointed and know I have to approach all my interactions with this person differently in the future. I've written up a long email, but I'm realizing that won't work as well as having a conversation with the person. Especially because I'm likely to start crying during the conversation. So. That's going to be FUN.
But maybe it will help one person be less addicted to the forest-burning plagiarism machine? Maybe?
Not sure if this helps, but have been sending this piece to friends who have become addicted: https://www.netmeister.org/blog/everybodys-lost-their-minds.html
And highlighting this quote: "AI is the tool that dulls its users; it incrementally replaces understanding with a new dependency and addiction as you actively de-skill yourself."
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets do you know that they actually fed it to chatgpt or did they roughly outline their feedback and concerns and ask chatgpt to turn it into professional sounding and well formatted feedback they could share?
I could understand being annoyed both ways but i think I’d feel different about this kind of assistance.
I might ask them something like “hey it looks like you used llm - can you tell me more about how you used it? I’d prefer my unpublished work wasn’t fed into these tools!”
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@sundogplanets Years later, I'm still reeling from when someone, during an actual face-to-face conversation, took out his phone to ask ChatGPT what to say to me.
@datarama @sundogplanets Man, if that ever happens to me I sure hope it's not when I'm at work, because an honest response *has* to contain the word 'fuck'.
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@datarama @sundogplanets Man, if that ever happens to me I sure hope it's not when I'm at work, because an honest response *has* to contain the word 'fuck'.
@kentenmakto @sundogplanets My response, I'm sorry to say, was standing there like an idiot staring into air, my brain not really able to process in real-time what had just happened.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets I had a colleague put a manuscript through an llm. It wasn't even a local llm. The "work" it did was obviously trash. I will never work with this colleague ever again on research
