I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
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@sundogplanets Years later, I'm still reeling from when someone, during an actual face-to-face conversation, took out his phone to ask ChatGPT what to say to me.
My response would "why am I talking to you then? Give me your entire universe of login/auth and I will 'chat with your bot' "
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@sundogplanets Years later, I'm still reeling from when someone, during an actual face-to-face conversation, took out his phone to ask ChatGPT what to say to me.
@datarama I guess we will meet more "meat terminal"s in the future.
Let him marry chatgpt. Will end up fine. @sundogplanets -
I really appreciate all the great advice and suggestions. I'm just... so disappointed and know I have to approach all my interactions with this person differently in the future. I've written up a long email, but I'm realizing that won't work as well as having a conversation with the person. Especially because I'm likely to start crying during the conversation. So. That's going to be FUN.
But maybe it will help one person be less addicted to the forest-burning plagiarism machine? Maybe?
@sundogplanets one of my childhood best friends and I recently had to have this conversation and it was rough and I definitely yelled and cried. I can only imagine how much harder it will be with a colleague where you’re expected to maintain composure.
No advice, just sending some moral support. These tough conversations are how we work to dismantle this mess.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets I find it so incomprehensible when people do this. If you'd wanted to ask an LLM, you could have done that yourself. It's like asking a colleague a question and getting back a response that's just a link to a Google search or a Wikipedia article (and nothing else). It seems like the implications are insulting, but it's probably more likely just thoughtless.
I have colleagues that have started doing similar things, and I also am struggling to find tactful ways to point out that it's unwelcome. Because it's so obviously foolish, it's hard to think of a way to point it out that doesn't seem insulting.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets That is disappointing. I honestly don’t understand why someone would even bother with that; it’s literally easier and faster to say, “no, I don’t have time.”
I think for anyone who’s taken that pill, appealing from a moral perspective is just moot. Of course all of those things are absolutely awful and destructive.
And absolutely everyone knows this.
Which means anyone still using it has already looked at the environmental, community, and cognitive damage and said, “ok”. And being on the receiving end a reminder of that probably going to just entrench them further.
Knowing that they made someone they respect feel disrespected, and that others’ impression of them has been lowered a bit? Maybe that would help.
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@sundogplanets Years later, I'm still reeling from when someone, during an actual face-to-face conversation, took out his phone to ask ChatGPT what to say to me.
I knew someone like that.
I tried.
For months.
But nothing changed.
Even a simple thing as looking up, shivering, and saying 'Whoa, do you think it will rain?' made him lift his phone, which he usually had in his hand.
While I was talking, he was checking his phone. I asked if he could put it down, which he did, but then he kept staring at it. It was all so pointless and sad. -
I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets
Erf.Apart from all the planet-destroying stochastic parrot problem (which is real and VERY problematic), you asked for comments and they couldn't bother.
That's unprofessionnal and deeply disrespectful.
I'm so sorry.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets I'm distant from this AI stuff. But if trust has been broken, then you might tell them about your disappointment. Basic information so that they might appreciate, on reflection, how the relationship has shifted.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets I'm truly sorry for what this guy made to you.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets This cartoon by Pierre Pauma seems in order -
I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets I have similar issues with people submitting items to my print shop for reproduction with an AI slop abomination of our corporate logo, and they get mad coz I won’t print it. “It looks good enough!”
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I really appreciate all the great advice and suggestions. I'm just... so disappointed and know I have to approach all my interactions with this person differently in the future. I've written up a long email, but I'm realizing that won't work as well as having a conversation with the person. Especially because I'm likely to start crying during the conversation. So. That's going to be FUN.
But maybe it will help one person be less addicted to the forest-burning plagiarism machine? Maybe?
@sundogplanets this is the first I heard it like that and I quite like the analogy: “forest burning plagiarism machine.”
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets @Beltliner403 maybe they'd understand the IP issue: now chqtgpt has your unpublished writing.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets maybe it she was unable to decipher your handwriting
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My response would "why am I talking to you then? Give me your entire universe of login/auth and I will 'chat with your bot' "
@Littlebobbytables @datarama @sundogplanets cut out the middleman
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
One of my friends used to ask me to edit her work.
I was happy to do it, and with a few hours turnaround, and free.
Then she proudly told me she was using AI now instead. -
I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets > I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them.
“I asked you because I wanted *your* opinion. I trusted *your* judgement.
I would have understood if you had told me you didn’t want to do it or didn’t have the availability.
In the future, please do not feed my words into an AI bot without asking, it makes me uncomfortable.”
Something like that. It’s respectful and short enough that they’ll probably read it themselves. It also leaves the door open for them to do a followup and you can take it from there.
I would avoid comments like “breach of trust” from the get-go, as it could put them on the defensive. Show yourself to be open to their view to make them open to yours. With that approach you’ll soon learn if your effort is worth the trouble, and if it’s not you can leave the relationship with a clean conscience.
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@MCDuncanLab @sundogplanets I read about the math thing, or a particular one of them at least. Anthropic claiming precedence on having completed a proof linked with prize money, after training on extensive work not consensually shared with Anthropic... my gods.
@iris @MCDuncanLab @sundogplanets
Does anybody have links for this? I'd love to know more
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