I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
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@sundogplanets Years later, I'm still reeling from when someone, during an actual face-to-face conversation, took out his phone to ask ChatGPT what to say to me.
I knew someone like that.
I tried.
For months.
But nothing changed.
Even a simple thing as looking up, shivering, and saying 'Whoa, do you think it will rain?' made him lift his phone, which he usually had in his hand.
While I was talking, he was checking his phone. I asked if he could put it down, which he did, but then he kept staring at it. It was all so pointless and sad. -
I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets
Erf.Apart from all the planet-destroying stochastic parrot problem (which is real and VERY problematic), you asked for comments and they couldn't bother.
That's unprofessionnal and deeply disrespectful.
I'm so sorry.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets I'm distant from this AI stuff. But if trust has been broken, then you might tell them about your disappointment. Basic information so that they might appreciate, on reflection, how the relationship has shifted.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets I'm truly sorry for what this guy made to you.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets This cartoon by Pierre Pauma seems in order -
I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets I have similar issues with people submitting items to my print shop for reproduction with an AI slop abomination of our corporate logo, and they get mad coz I won’t print it. “It looks good enough!”
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I really appreciate all the great advice and suggestions. I'm just... so disappointed and know I have to approach all my interactions with this person differently in the future. I've written up a long email, but I'm realizing that won't work as well as having a conversation with the person. Especially because I'm likely to start crying during the conversation. So. That's going to be FUN.
But maybe it will help one person be less addicted to the forest-burning plagiarism machine? Maybe?
@sundogplanets this is the first I heard it like that and I quite like the analogy: “forest burning plagiarism machine.”
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets @Beltliner403 maybe they'd understand the IP issue: now chqtgpt has your unpublished writing.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets maybe it she was unable to decipher your handwriting
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My response would "why am I talking to you then? Give me your entire universe of login/auth and I will 'chat with your bot' "
@Littlebobbytables @datarama @sundogplanets cut out the middleman
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
One of my friends used to ask me to edit her work.
I was happy to do it, and with a few hours turnaround, and free.
Then she proudly told me she was using AI now instead. -
I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets > I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them.
“I asked you because I wanted *your* opinion. I trusted *your* judgement.
I would have understood if you had told me you didn’t want to do it or didn’t have the availability.
In the future, please do not feed my words into an AI bot without asking, it makes me uncomfortable.”
Something like that. It’s respectful and short enough that they’ll probably read it themselves. It also leaves the door open for them to do a followup and you can take it from there.
I would avoid comments like “breach of trust” from the get-go, as it could put them on the defensive. Show yourself to be open to their view to make them open to yours. With that approach you’ll soon learn if your effort is worth the trouble, and if it’s not you can leave the relationship with a clean conscience.
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@MCDuncanLab @sundogplanets I read about the math thing, or a particular one of them at least. Anthropic claiming precedence on having completed a proof linked with prize money, after training on extensive work not consensually shared with Anthropic... my gods.
@iris @MCDuncanLab @sundogplanets
Does anybody have links for this? I'd love to know more
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets they're lost, no response required at that point.
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@iris @MCDuncanLab @sundogplanets
Does anybody have links for this? I'd love to know more
@hosford42 @MCDuncanLab @sundogplanets not sure if this is the one I read, but I think it covers the case I mentioned: https://thecybersecguru.com/news/openai-navier-stokes-proof/
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@ravenbait @sundogplanets
Copied. The LLMs do not learn nor are they trained. It's an abuse of English by PR/Marketing.@raymaccarthy @ravenbait @sundogplanets That's a semantic argument. Her content was given to an "AI" bot that is more than just an LLM, and that content has been assimilated by that bot into its source material. It now knows what Prof. Lawler wrote. It can then freely use that without her permission.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets @LJ How about telling them that if you wanted AI slop, you would've asked ChatGPT yourself?
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@sundogplanets @ravenbait super cliché but "I statements" work wonders. They don't have to understand your reasoning, but they need to be able to respect your strong feelings in order to have a relationship with you.
@iris @sundogplanets @ravenbait
I love that specific set of feedback rules: I see that you do/did so-and-so. It made me feel such-and-such. I do not like that. I would like you to stop doing that.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
i would be shocked if your department had on retainer an IP lawyer, but if they do, give them the heads up that you will be referring the colleague to them for a TL;DR on how that’s an infringement on your team’s copyright and that they will be liable for any plagiarism that results from it.
which, of course, means that now y’all need to create a boilerplate for all emails and comminications about reserving all rights and not giving permission for LLM imput etc
