Kind wild how the whole tech industry is just people who did and didn’t get The Lord of The Rings
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@danirabbit @Ashedryden gandalf if you don’t join him you’re just gonna get left behind. ethics aside, sauron is here to stay
@danirabbit @Ashedryden (exasperated) no, morgoth was different. you don’t get it. morgoth didn’t have the rings. are you saying the one ring doesn’t have any utility? frodo put it on, bam. invisible. can’t believe you will just go on pretending like the rings “don’t work”
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@Ashedryden “we must join with him, Gandalf. It would be wise” type shit
@danirabbit @Ashedryden gandalf if you don’t join him you’re just gonna get left behind. ethics aside, sauron is here to stay
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@danirabbit @Ashedryden (exasperated) no, morgoth was different. you don’t get it. morgoth didn’t have the rings. are you saying the one ring doesn’t have any utility? frodo put it on, bam. invisible. can’t believe you will just go on pretending like the rings “don’t work”
@danirabbit @Ashedryden it’s really a perfect one-to-one mapping isn’t it
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@aud @danirabbit @griotspeak right like this is the thing, Tolkien was trying hard to make a mythos that's distinct from any real thing and original, and yet the core metamyth is as Christian as it's possible to be
like, each of his Ages ends with the downfall of the greatest remaining evil power.... as if evil is a thing with a specific face, as if stopping an individual makes change in the world
@ireneista @aud @danirabbit @griotspeak and that conservative trope of each age being notably lesser than the one before it, like the only thing more powerful than good or evil is entropy which wait hang on
But no I am so tired of the Gold / Silver / Bronze / Cardboard Age meta-myth.
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@ireneista @aud @danirabbit @griotspeak and that conservative trope of each age being notably lesser than the one before it, like the only thing more powerful than good or evil is entropy which wait hang on
But no I am so tired of the Gold / Silver / Bronze / Cardboard Age meta-myth.
@randomgeek @aud @danirabbit @griotspeak right yes! yes, well said
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@randomgeek @aud @danirabbit @griotspeak right yes! yes, well said
@randomgeek @aud @danirabbit @griotspeak it's almost like the opposite of that common misinterpretation of the "moral arc [...] bends towards justice" thing that presupposes inevitability and therefore justifies inaction
or the other side of the same coin, or something
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@randomgeek @aud @danirabbit @griotspeak it's almost like the opposite of that common misinterpretation of the "moral arc [...] bends towards justice" thing that presupposes inevitability and therefore justifies inaction
or the other side of the same coin, or something
@randomgeek @aud @danirabbit @griotspeak and on the other hand of course, the "cardboard age" part in particular is repackaged original sin.
the rhetoric goes that nobody today is powerful, remarkable, etc, they're all shit, unchangeably so, so they must permanently feel inadequate and also their only hope to greatness is through zero-sum thinking
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@randomgeek @aud @danirabbit @griotspeak and on the other hand of course, the "cardboard age" part in particular is repackaged original sin.
the rhetoric goes that nobody today is powerful, remarkable, etc, they're all shit, unchangeably so, so they must permanently feel inadequate and also their only hope to greatness is through zero-sum thinking
@randomgeek @aud @danirabbit @griotspeak original sin is one of those things that once we started looking for it in conservative rhetoric, it is fucking everywhere.
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@danirabbit "the tech itself is neutral" yes in the same way that all tech before it has also been neutral
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@danirabbit @jwz starting to suspect that the reason I have had to largely withdraw from it is that I did, I *did* understand the lord of the rings. the books, even, not just the movies!
@glyph @danirabbit @jwz right? Techbros: "Finally we have invented a way to scour Shires, surely we are the good guys"
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@danirabbit I suppose it's borderline a dead meme now but:
I heard his dad was a toolmaker.
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@danirabbit "the tech itself is neutral" yes in the same way that all tech before it has also been neutral
@crowbriarhexe "the whip is just a tool," sneers the hand gripping it tight.
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@crowbriarhexe "the whip is just a tool," sneers the hand gripping it tight.
@cargot_robbie @danirabbit omg yes, exactly this. This is all of current "AI" in a nutshell.
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@crowbriarhexe "the whip is just a tool," sneers the hand gripping it tight.
@cargot_robbie ugh, I love you for this, it's *perfect*
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@randomgeek @aud @danirabbit @griotspeak original sin is one of those things that once we started looking for it in conservative rhetoric, it is fucking everywhere.
@ireneista @aud @danirabbit @griotspeak of all places, my satori occurred reading the "Fantasy Hero" resource book for Fifth Edition Hero System RPG. There's a section pointing out how conservative the major fantasy tropes are, and basically "play into it, play against it, or play with it, but be informed about the idioms of the form."
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@cargot_robbie ugh, I love you for this, it's *perfect*
@crowbriarhexe thank you
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@ireneista @aud @danirabbit @griotspeak of all places, my satori occurred reading the "Fantasy Hero" resource book for Fifth Edition Hero System RPG. There's a section pointing out how conservative the major fantasy tropes are, and basically "play into it, play against it, or play with it, but be informed about the idioms of the form."
@randomgeek @aud @danirabbit @griotspeak ah! right, makes sense tbh
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@glyph @danirabbit @fieldswork they are orcs!
