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  3. There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

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  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

    There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

    Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

    The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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    #31

    @futurebird I‘m as hip and with it as the likes of Cory Doctorow and Ed Zitron are … 😏

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    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

      There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

      Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

      The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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      #32

      @futurebird at work it's literally the older you are, the more likely you are to use it for everything.

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      • apbblue@thepit.socialA apbblue@thepit.social

        @timtfj @futurebird probably

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        #33

        @APBBlue @futurebird I think you'll be OK just doing some small good deed instead. Helping a bluebottle find the huge and glaringly obvious opening round the window so it can finally stop buzzing around your house, say.

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        • rgulick@social.coopR rgulick@social.coop

          @futurebird

          My grandkids (13 and 10) use 'AI' as shorthand for 'garbage' art/film/writing/etc, and the same for every kid in their school.

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          #34

          @rgulick @futurebird
          Does that mean that they don't use AI, or are they like many (most?) people who like to complain about slop or some imaginary AI apocalypse and use it anyway?

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          • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

            There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

            Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

            The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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            #35

            @futurebird in my experience old people who don't understand the technology are MORE likely to be impressed and fail to understand any objections. At least my coworkers are like "I acknowledge your objections and don't care about them"

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            • P phosphenes@mastodon.social

              @rgulick @futurebird

              Good for them. I don't think people disdain AI because it's trendy to do so. I think it's because AI takes zero effort to make, so is synonymous with scams and stupidity.

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              #36

              @Phosphenes @rgulick @futurebird This. I think a lot of people recognise slop for what it is, and why it is called "slop" in the first place.

              Some older folks in my family have no idea what AI is anyway. If they see stuff that seems real, they think it is. That's a little scary.

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              • veronica@mastodon.onlineV veronica@mastodon.online

                @Phosphenes @rgulick @futurebird This. I think a lot of people recognise slop for what it is, and why it is called "slop" in the first place.

                Some older folks in my family have no idea what AI is anyway. If they see stuff that seems real, they think it is. That's a little scary.

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                #37

                @veronica @Phosphenes @rgulick @futurebird

                My Gen Z kids told me, that Gen X/Boomer and older are more likely to do not recognize AI generated slop.

                I am doing art and photography, so I get a strange feeling, when I see AI generated Images.

                A same aged friend of mine is totally in AI and loves his "creations" 😵‍💫

                Worst are AI Voiceovers. They raise that uncanny feeling in me. brrrrrr 😬

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                • desatyr@mastodon.socialD desatyr@mastodon.social

                  @veronica @Phosphenes @rgulick @futurebird

                  My Gen Z kids told me, that Gen X/Boomer and older are more likely to do not recognize AI generated slop.

                  I am doing art and photography, so I get a strange feeling, when I see AI generated Images.

                  A same aged friend of mine is totally in AI and loves his "creations" 😵‍💫

                  Worst are AI Voiceovers. They raise that uncanny feeling in me. brrrrrr 😬

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                  #38

                  @desatyr @Phosphenes @rgulick @futurebird I'm GenX too (rapidly approaching 50) but I mostly work with Millennials, so I don't have a feel for what GenXers believe, but that doesn't surprise me really.

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                  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                    There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

                    Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

                    The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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                    #39

                    @futurebird my mom, who forgets what a url or link is and can't tell a browser from an operating system, uses it all the time and thinks it fixed search engines...

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                    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                      There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

                      Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

                      The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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                      #40

                      @futurebird

                      The epidemic of LLM-assisted cheating and the literal objectification of women kinda invalidates your claim about what Young People are doing with LLMs.

                      You might ask about what we Typical AI Fans are doing, I'm here for the asking.

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                      • veronica@mastodon.onlineV veronica@mastodon.online

                        @Phosphenes @rgulick @futurebird This. I think a lot of people recognise slop for what it is, and why it is called "slop" in the first place.

                        Some older folks in my family have no idea what AI is anyway. If they see stuff that seems real, they think it is. That's a little scary.

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                        paculino@tech.lgbt
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                        #41

                        @veronica @Phosphenes @rgulick @futurebird my grandma thinks ai looks more realistic than reality somehow. She opposes it, saying it is done to mock God by trying to make something smarter, but always picks ai youtube videos. Scams are worse and will worsen further.

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                        • indigoparadox@mastodon.socialI indigoparadox@mastodon.social

                          @futurebird The only people I've personally met who have bought into LLM hype at face value are boomers... and I feel like it's related to that period in the 90s where some folks called the Internet a fad and nobody wants to look that foolish again.

                          Altho I am starting to wonder if there will still be an Internet in a few decades.

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                          paculino@tech.lgbt
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                          #42

                          @indigoparadox @futurebird I hope at least rss, instant messaging, mailing lists or forums, and torrents remain.

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                          • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                            There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

                            Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

                            The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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                            #43

                            @futurebird
                            I think there is a big divide between what people on Mastodon think people in general think of ai and reality.

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                            • puretaste@mastodon.worldP puretaste@mastodon.world

                              @futurebird at work it's literally the older you are, the more likely you are to use it for everything.

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                              #44

                              @puretaste @futurebird the people who’ve been waiting for Star Trek or Star Wars to happen are like fuck yeah and the people who’ve been watching cyberpunk happen are like welp, here’s some more of it

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                              • puretaste@mastodon.worldP puretaste@mastodon.world

                                @futurebird at work it's literally the older you are, the more likely you are to use it for everything.

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                                #45

                                @puretaste
                                I am stunned by the people using AI, and how they fail to validate what they get. Yes, a lot of over 60s, but several late 30s or 40s. Grew up with computers, but not necessarily especially tech savvy)

                                (While I qualify as an old guy, I seen a enough less than accurate or relevant responses in simple on line search responses to feel I was listening to the sleazier salesmen pushing their product over a competitors version.

                                (I use 'salesmen' intentionally, as there were very few women in the areas I worked in, and those few were very reliable)

                                @futurebird

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                                • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                  There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

                                  Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

                                  The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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                                  #46

                                  @futurebird

                                  i feel like the pan flashed very quickly and older people are the main ones still talking about how impressive it all is.

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                                  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                    There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

                                    Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

                                    The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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                                    #47

                                    @futurebird Being convinced to "create with ai" shows a total lack of understanding both the technology and the arts.

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                                      #48

                                      @Robinzz3@aus.social

                                      I’m a fan because I don’t believe AI wants anything from us.

                                      AI doesn’t want anything from us. The companies that create and sell us AI, now that’s an entirely different story.

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                                      • paulwermer@sfba.socialP paulwermer@sfba.social

                                        @puretaste
                                        I am stunned by the people using AI, and how they fail to validate what they get. Yes, a lot of over 60s, but several late 30s or 40s. Grew up with computers, but not necessarily especially tech savvy)

                                        (While I qualify as an old guy, I seen a enough less than accurate or relevant responses in simple on line search responses to feel I was listening to the sleazier salesmen pushing their product over a competitors version.

                                        (I use 'salesmen' intentionally, as there were very few women in the areas I worked in, and those few were very reliable)

                                        @futurebird

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                                        #49

                                        @PaulWermer @futurebird yeah, and they continue doing it even though I've lost count of the amount of times I've said "and what does the source say", only for them to discover it doesn't say what the chatbot said.

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                                        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                          There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

                                          Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

                                          The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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                                          #50

                                          @futurebird Yea, nah!

                                          I know it very well, I have been an early adopter.

                                          Two things true: 1. The most disruptive technology since the Internet, perhaps the steam engine. 2. The promoters and heads of AI companies, are crooks, greed heads and grifters

                                          I am astounded at the rate of progress and dismayed by the culture of slop

                                          The "doomers" and the "boosters" (I claim I am neither) are indistinguishable

                                          A very strange time to be involved in computing

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