A court in Munich declared that Google is liable for their "AI summaries" and all its hallucinations.
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@lymphomation @david_chisnall @tante
AI abilities are "jagged" because AI is an umbrella term for a bunch of disparate technologies and the AI used for radiology is almost entirely unrelated to the AI at issue here@sabik @lymphomation @david_chisnall @tante
"But Science!" is just the new talking point for AI astroturf.
Notice how all the boosters started saying that and "jagged" at the same time?
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@tante ”A German court has ruled that Google is directly liable for what its AI search overviews say. Previous case law shielding search engine operators from liability doesn't apply to AI overviews.”
This is the correct action to take. You are operating a technology that produces this information. You are not connecting people to somebody else’s voice.
@gimulnautti @tante This should be cemented on the EU level. It might get Google thinking about spreading lies.
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Q-tips says it. "don't clean your ears". What do 90% of Q-tips buyers do? Clean their ears.
@nosrednayduj @david_chisnall @tante I can tell I haven't had enough caffeine yet, because now my brain is going down the rabbit hole of "we have to clean our ears with Q-tips because getting it done safely at the doctor is not financially accessible to most Americans."
But Europeans probably do it too, and I know Asian countries have those little ear spoons which presumably have similar risks of eardrum puncture.
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Hallucinations aren't Google's fault, and they can't just fix them. It's a property of AI. So just don't use it for topics you don't understand. And frankly, I don't know anyone who still uses Google. Even my mom uses DuckDuckGo.
@PerryNoID
If Google knowingly uses substandard or faulty tools that produce bad outcomes, those bad outcomes are Google‘s responsibility.If I build and operate a soda vending machine that sometimes dispenses antifreeze in Fanta bottles, that’s on me too after all.
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@sabik @lymphomation @david_chisnall @tante
"But Science!" is just the new talking point for AI astroturf.
Notice how all the boosters started saying that and "jagged" at the same time?
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@theeclecticdyslexic @tante they made/own/run the thing, so why not? They've put the summaries front and centre. They integrated it when there was absolutely no need. The LLM didn't have to be doing any of those things.
@noodlemaz @tante Oh, for sure. I just never would have thought of it, because I was so preoccupied with the legal questions of theft, and how anything it says is almost always in the training data somewhere (or multiple somewheres).
I do think this ruling is a consequence of their efforts to convince people it is "intelligent". People wouldn't consider it something to listen to otherwise. It would just be an inconvenience, as it is for people who know better.
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Google's defence needs to be amplified by anyone talking to politicians about 'AI' regulation:
Google is explicitly saying in their legal filing that the outputs from their LLM should not be trusted and that users should know that.
That's one hell of an admission. Imagine saying that about any other category of product.
@david_chisnall @tante I would love for someone to hold them to actually proving that statement.
Do people?
Does the general public, in fact, treat LLM output as just statistically likely text, not real information?
All of their advertisement sure seems to be designed to ensure people *don’t*, and instead put all their trust in this machine garbage.
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@tante as far as I know, this is sort of incorrect, cause this ruling is just a local court
@failedLyndonLaRouchite @tante local court, but international scope.
Lovely Liability .. love it
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A court in Munich declared that Google is liable for their "AI summaries" and all its hallucinations. This is an important step to bring "AI" slop in line with all other products on the market: "AI" products are basically the only ones where a provider can just deliver unchecked garbage and put all the liability on the consumer. I hope to see aggressive change here.
@tante the biggest german news show always starts with 'angaben ohne gewehr'.
google can do the same and legally just say: its information without guarantees or certainties. -
Google's defence needs to be amplified by anyone talking to politicians about 'AI' regulation:
Google is explicitly saying in their legal filing that the outputs from their LLM should not be trusted and that users should know that.
That's one hell of an admission. Imagine saying that about any other category of product.
@david_chisnall @tante politicians?
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@nosrednayduj @david_chisnall @tante I can tell I haven't had enough caffeine yet, because now my brain is going down the rabbit hole of "we have to clean our ears with Q-tips because getting it done safely at the doctor is not financially accessible to most Americans."
But Europeans probably do it too, and I know Asian countries have those little ear spoons which presumably have similar risks of eardrum puncture.
@meredith @nosrednayduj @david_chisnall @tante But East Asian earwax is different from European and African earwax, so the tools and techniques are different. https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/did-you-know-general-science/your-earwax-and-sweat-have-something-smelly-common
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@david_chisnall @tante I remember years ago being on the Tube in London, and the it stopped, and the recommendation was "Please use other means to get to your destination". Which I felt was rather like saying "We cannot do our job, please find someone who can do our job of getting you there"
It feels a little like this.
@SteveClough @david_chisnall @tante I was once in Tokyo when there was a stoppage on a metro line and they were handling out tickets for other lines and apologizing profusely. And in both Japan and Canada, saying "I'm sorry" is not an admission of liability.
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Google's defence needs to be amplified by anyone talking to politicians about 'AI' regulation:
Google is explicitly saying in their legal filing that the outputs from their LLM should not be trusted and that users should know that.
That's one hell of an admission. Imagine saying that about any other category of product.
@david_chisnall
It’s fascinating what truths people suddenly find within themselves when lying has negative consequences.
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@tante the biggest german news show always starts with 'angaben ohne gewehr'.
google can do the same and legally just say: its information without guarantees or certainties.@vekkq @tante this isn't at the start of the news show, it's after the drawing of the lottery numbers and it simply means that the numbers drawn aren't necessarily the final ones because there may have been some sort of error and new numbers might be drawn. So don't order that Porsche yet.
It's not something the news say at the beginning so that they can just make things up with impunity.
Apart from that I'm pretty sure that all public LLM interfaces contain such warnings already.
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Google's defence needs to be amplified by anyone talking to politicians about 'AI' regulation:
Google is explicitly saying in their legal filing that the outputs from their LLM should not be trusted and that users should know that.
That's one hell of an admission. Imagine saying that about any other category of product.
@david_chisnall @tante can you please point me to the exact wording? I need it for a workshop I'm preparing, thanks!
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A court in Munich declared that Google is liable for their "AI summaries" and all its hallucinations. This is an important step to bring "AI" slop in line with all other products on the market: "AI" products are basically the only ones where a provider can just deliver unchecked garbage and put all the liability on the consumer. I hope to see aggressive change here.
@tante
Will be interesting to see how the Corpos will resolve this.I am assuming the ruling becomes EU wide down the road.
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A court in Munich declared that Google is liable for their "AI summaries" and all its hallucinations. This is an important step to bring "AI" slop in line with all other products on the market: "AI" products are basically the only ones where a provider can just deliver unchecked garbage and put all the liability on the consumer. I hope to see aggressive change here.
@tante according to that applicable law, I can't see how a different outcome would have been possible.
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A court in Munich declared that Google is liable for their "AI summaries" and all its hallucinations. This is an important step to bring "AI" slop in line with all other products on the market: "AI" products are basically the only ones where a provider can just deliver unchecked garbage and put all the liability on the consumer. I hope to see aggressive change here.
@tante I can't wait for this to apply to ai encouraging suicide or school shootings, or giving fake diagnoses, etc.
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@meredith @nosrednayduj @david_chisnall @tante But East Asian earwax is different from European and African earwax, so the tools and techniques are different. https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/did-you-know-general-science/your-earwax-and-sweat-have-something-smelly-common
@PeterLudemann @nosrednayduj @david_chisnall @tante Right, which is why I mentioned the different tool and the danger of eardrum puncture vs the added Q-tip danger of leaving the fibers in the ears.
