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  3. GIMP‘s hostility to users actually being able to productively use it is legendary as is its disdain for people showing concern about its name.

GIMP‘s hostility to users actually being able to productively use it is legendary as is its disdain for people showing concern about its name.

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  • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

    @CmykStudent I mean, I hope that pans out, and that it pays off for the project

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    #18

    @baldur I believe it already has - we have some active design volunteers who have really contributed to implementing better UX going forward and pointing out existing improvements.

    There's some "bigger" design work going on too which we hope to implement as it is finalized, but a lot of papercut UX issues (and larger) are being corrected already. 🙂

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    • clayote@peoplemaking.gamesC clayote@peoplemaking.games

      @CmykStudent "From GIMP team: We are NOT rebranding GIMP"

      i was talking about the branding...

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      #19

      @clayote That was in response to the social media storm I linked (200+ posts!) - it's a proof-of-concept right now and we didn't want people to get worked up about a particular name being selected.

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      • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

        RE: https://mas.to/@zzt/116748965255528053

        GIMP‘s hostility to users actually being able to productively use it is legendary as is its disdain for people showing concern about its name. It’s genuinely poisoned the well for the adoption of OSS creativity software.

        (I need to try out Krita, though, which looks much more solid.)

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        #20

        @baldur my wife is a painter and a graphic designer, and she swears by krita.

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        • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

          RE: https://mas.to/@zzt/116748965255528053

          GIMP‘s hostility to users actually being able to productively use it is legendary as is its disdain for people showing concern about its name. It’s genuinely poisoned the well for the adoption of OSS creativity software.

          (I need to try out Krita, though, which looks much more solid.)

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          #21

          @baldur not a week go by without me saying “well yes, it has the look and feel of open source, but…”.

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          • cmykstudent@fosstodon.orgC cmykstudent@fosstodon.org

            @baldur I believe it already has - we have some active design volunteers who have really contributed to implementing better UX going forward and pointing out existing improvements.

            There's some "bigger" design work going on too which we hope to implement as it is finalized, but a lot of papercut UX issues (and larger) are being corrected already. 🙂

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            #22

            @CmykStudent Sounds good. 👍 I'll keep an eye on future releases then.

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            • emma_cogdev@fediscience.orgE emma_cogdev@fediscience.org

              @baldur

              I found GnuImp so unintuitive and clunky, and it's ugly too. Krita is a dream to use and it does everything and it looks great. No contest.

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              #23

              @emma_cogdev @baldur I switched from GnuImp (I refuse to use the "official" name) to Krita and it's so much better.

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              • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                RE: https://mas.to/@zzt/116748965255528053

                GIMP‘s hostility to users actually being able to productively use it is legendary as is its disdain for people showing concern about its name. It’s genuinely poisoned the well for the adoption of OSS creativity software.

                (I need to try out Krita, though, which looks much more solid.)

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                #24

                @baldur the one thing that, i've been told, somehow reduces the gnu image manipulation program's usage pains is applying the photoshop-compatible keyboard shortcut scheme.

                but that's basically only an option for people who already know photoshop by rote and can go by without looking for knobs and buttons in the ui.

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                • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                  RE: https://mas.to/@zzt/116748965255528053

                  GIMP‘s hostility to users actually being able to productively use it is legendary as is its disdain for people showing concern about its name. It’s genuinely poisoned the well for the adoption of OSS creativity software.

                  (I need to try out Krita, though, which looks much more solid.)

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                  #25

                  @baldur@toot.cafe

                  Krita is wonderful to use. I haven't used it too much, but it's now my go-to recommemdation for folks who want to try out digital art.

                  I remember trying GIMP back in college and it really sucked for me in particular, so I settled on something called FireAlpaca, which worked way better for me. Krita is better than FireAlpaca. I'd definitely recommend trying it.

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                  • jwcph@helvede.netJ jwcph@helvede.net

                    @xChaos @baldur Well, I'm certainly glad to know it isn't just me, then...

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                    #26

                    @jwcph GIMP is powerful tool... just not focused on the needs of career graphics designers... @baldur

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                    • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                      RE: https://mas.to/@zzt/116748965255528053

                      GIMP‘s hostility to users actually being able to productively use it is legendary as is its disdain for people showing concern about its name. It’s genuinely poisoned the well for the adoption of OSS creativity software.

                      (I need to try out Krita, though, which looks much more solid.)

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                      #27

                      @baldur

                      Graphite - Your procedural toolbox for 2D content creation

                      https://graphite.art/

                      Still alpha, but definitely something to look out for.

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                      • xchaos@f.czX xchaos@f.cz

                        @baldur I learned the old GIMP UI after some years, and then theu changed it and made even more confusing...

                        It was programmer-oriented from the beginning.

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                        #28

                        @xChaos @baldur Same. I gave up on it a few years back because I was spending an order of mag more time trying to find one tool I needed than actually editing the damn image.

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                        • clayote@peoplemaking.gamesC clayote@peoplemaking.games

                          @baldur if you need something less Illustrator...ive, I can recommend Pinta

                          https://www.pinta-project.com/

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                          #29

                          @clayote @baldur Whoa.

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                          • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                            RE: https://mas.to/@zzt/116748965255528053

                            GIMP‘s hostility to users actually being able to productively use it is legendary as is its disdain for people showing concern about its name. It’s genuinely poisoned the well for the adoption of OSS creativity software.

                            (I need to try out Krita, though, which looks much more solid.)

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                            #30

                            @baldur @zzt Krita is actually quite cool. I haven't used it for anything "productiony" yet as my medium is mostly photography and image processing for coding projects, and I've had a stable workflow with Affinity and Nikon tools for a while.

                            But Krita's documentation is fantastic, and I'd definitely be using it if my work was more focused on the art itself, I'd definitely be spending quality time with it.

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                            • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                              RE: https://mas.to/@zzt/116748965255528053

                              GIMP‘s hostility to users actually being able to productively use it is legendary as is its disdain for people showing concern about its name. It’s genuinely poisoned the well for the adoption of OSS creativity software.

                              (I need to try out Krita, though, which looks much more solid.)

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                              #31

                              @baldur one more vote for giving krita a shot!

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                              • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                                RE: https://mas.to/@zzt/116748965255528053

                                GIMP‘s hostility to users actually being able to productively use it is legendary as is its disdain for people showing concern about its name. It’s genuinely poisoned the well for the adoption of OSS creativity software.

                                (I need to try out Krita, though, which looks much more solid.)

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                                #32

                                @baldur
                                I've been naïvely using #GIMP since 1998. Really, on an #Amiga running #Linux. Call me a fool, but I never actually felt that a well has been poisoned since I've no English native speaker. Love'n'peace to everyone

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                                • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                                  RE: https://mas.to/@zzt/116748965255528053

                                  GIMP‘s hostility to users actually being able to productively use it is legendary as is its disdain for people showing concern about its name. It’s genuinely poisoned the well for the adoption of OSS creativity software.

                                  (I need to try out Krita, though, which looks much more solid.)

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                                  #33

                                  @baldur krita IS much more solid and easy to use. Source: decades long user of drawing software such as art studio, deluxe paint, brilliance and Photoshop.

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                                  • xchaos@f.czX xchaos@f.cz

                                    @jwcph GIMP is powerful tool... just not focused on the needs of career graphics designers... @baldur

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                                    #34

                                    @xChaos @baldur True - which means somebody built a powerful tool just for a very specific kind of hobbyists, which seems a little weird to me.

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                                    • paoloredaelli@mastodon.unoP paoloredaelli@mastodon.uno

                                      @baldur
                                      I've been naïvely using #GIMP since 1998. Really, on an #Amiga running #Linux. Call me a fool, but I never actually felt that a well has been poisoned since I've no English native speaker. Love'n'peace to everyone

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                                      #35

                                      @baldur my 16-yo daughter who in all her life has used only #Linux and #FreeSoftware prefer #Krita and that's fine. 😀

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                                      • xchaos@f.czX xchaos@f.cz

                                        @jwcph GIMP is powerful tool... just not focused on the needs of career graphics designers... @baldur

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                                        #36

                                        @xChaos @jwcph @baldur

                                        The problem with GIMP's user interface is that it doesn't appear to be focused on any other group of users' needs either, though.

                                        GIMP's UI just sort of exists. It doesn't appear to have been designed with any particular target group of users in mind.

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                                        • xchaos@f.czX xchaos@f.cz

                                          @baldur I learned the old GIMP UI after some years, and then theu changed it and made even more confusing...

                                          It was programmer-oriented from the beginning.

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                                          #37

                                          @xChaos
                                          I tried it few times in the past and I just couldn't, it was (and I guess) still horrendous, to programmers as well.
                                          Ever since I prefer any other tool.
                                          @baldur

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