hm, i thought KDE was trying to make up for platforming the nazi.
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@davidgerard @Rhube I have a suspicion that it's Nate, or at least he has posting access.
I feel they should have taken a little more time.
Like he handles some other public comms.
https://pointieststick.com/about/
"In his spare time, Nate blogs about newsworthy topics through KDE over at blogs.kde.org, triages KDE bug reports, and helps build the KDE Linux operating system."
Perhaps they should budget for a community manager?
Perhaps even get someone outside our Eurocentric bubble? That post wasn't conciliatory at all.
It's a rugby tackle away the phone moment really.
I'm not mad at KDE I'm just disappointed.
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hm, i thought KDE was trying to make up for platforming the nazi. lots of people today saying "let's give KDE a chance!"
nope, they're now doubling down further.
this post is a study in the art of nazi apologetics in online discourse - removing the content of the issue and leaving only a description phrased to sound innocent.
what happened is that the straight-up nazi was posting, someone identified that this person was a straight-up nazi, the nazi admitted they were that nazi, then KDE banned the person calling out the nazi and kept the nazi
KDE *later* banned the nazi - after public outrage at KDE's behaviour - but the person who called the nazi out is still banned
the social media person sympathising here with the nazi tries to claim that calling out the nazi is equivalent to real world violence.
@davidgerard “But they were impolite! We had to ban them!”
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hm, i thought KDE was trying to make up for platforming the nazi. lots of people today saying "let's give KDE a chance!"
nope, they're now doubling down further.
this post is a study in the art of nazi apologetics in online discourse - removing the content of the issue and leaving only a description phrased to sound innocent.
what happened is that the straight-up nazi was posting, someone identified that this person was a straight-up nazi, the nazi admitted they were that nazi, then KDE banned the person calling out the nazi and kept the nazi
KDE *later* banned the nazi - after public outrage at KDE's behaviour - but the person who called the nazi out is still banned
the social media person sympathising here with the nazi tries to claim that calling out the nazi is equivalent to real world violence.
@davidgerard Was the other patron sitting in the restaurant in a tight black Hugo Boss uniform, leather boots and all, with a big red armband with a black swastika in a white circle on it, and was holding the hand in a "Roman salute" at the moment of being punched? We're missing a bit of context for the "a user walks into a restaurant" allegory...
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@darkpixel what a disconnected and fatuous comment
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hm, i thought KDE was trying to make up for platforming the nazi. lots of people today saying "let's give KDE a chance!"
nope, they're now doubling down further.
this post is a study in the art of nazi apologetics in online discourse - removing the content of the issue and leaving only a description phrased to sound innocent.
what happened is that the straight-up nazi was posting, someone identified that this person was a straight-up nazi, the nazi admitted they were that nazi, then KDE banned the person calling out the nazi and kept the nazi
KDE *later* banned the nazi - after public outrage at KDE's behaviour - but the person who called the nazi out is still banned
the social media person sympathising here with the nazi tries to claim that calling out the nazi is equivalent to real world violence.
@davidgerard
> doxxing — posting receipts of a nazi spewing nazi rhetoric isn't doxxing. This was later corrected by KDE in as maliciously compliant a manner as possible (using strikeout so that every instance of "doxxing" remains in the text)
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> brigading — a list of signatories isn't brigading. This claim hasn't been walked back
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> ad hominem — posting receipts of a nazi spewing nazi rhetoric isn't ad hominem. This claim hasn't been walked back -
hm, i thought KDE was trying to make up for platforming the nazi. lots of people today saying "let's give KDE a chance!"
nope, they're now doubling down further.
this post is a study in the art of nazi apologetics in online discourse - removing the content of the issue and leaving only a description phrased to sound innocent.
what happened is that the straight-up nazi was posting, someone identified that this person was a straight-up nazi, the nazi admitted they were that nazi, then KDE banned the person calling out the nazi and kept the nazi
KDE *later* banned the nazi - after public outrage at KDE's behaviour - but the person who called the nazi out is still banned
the social media person sympathising here with the nazi tries to claim that calling out the nazi is equivalent to real world violence.
@davidgerard fascinating how it's always worse to call someone a Nazi (with receipts) than to actually _be_ a Nazi.
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@davidgerard to be fair, I would be ok with someone walking into a restaurant and randomly punching a nazi
@coegho @davidgerard I’d definitely tip the waitress if I saw her randomly punch a Nazi (that she was previously serving) in a restaurant. I’d put it on my credit card, she earned it.
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@davidgerard fascinating how it's always worse to call someone a Nazi (with receipts) than to actually _be_ a Nazi.
@Mabande @davidgerard you should always call them “phrenology inclined” the first time.
— So and so, seem to be phrenology inclined, given his comments in the forum. I wonder if we need to embrace phrenology in our code base.
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@davidgerard seem you need glass.
They remind people how to report nazi, instead of attacking him / her directly in case he / she's innocent.
We need order and rules ..., where nazi are removed properly, not witch hunt.
@skyblitz
“Order and rules” alone are quickly subverted by by nazis, because you can't write enough rules for every case, and right-wingers are adapting faster than any governance process.Many communities have fallen to this already.
See Popper's Paradox (as a social contract) and the Alt-Right Playbook for the basics:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ -
hm, i thought KDE was trying to make up for platforming the nazi. lots of people today saying "let's give KDE a chance!"
nope, they're now doubling down further.
this post is a study in the art of nazi apologetics in online discourse - removing the content of the issue and leaving only a description phrased to sound innocent.
what happened is that the straight-up nazi was posting, someone identified that this person was a straight-up nazi, the nazi admitted they were that nazi, then KDE banned the person calling out the nazi and kept the nazi
KDE *later* banned the nazi - after public outrage at KDE's behaviour - but the person who called the nazi out is still banned
the social media person sympathising here with the nazi tries to claim that calling out the nazi is equivalent to real world violence.
@davidgerard
Is this a “reverse nazi-bar” manouver?
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hm, i thought KDE was trying to make up for platforming the nazi. lots of people today saying "let's give KDE a chance!"
nope, they're now doubling down further.
this post is a study in the art of nazi apologetics in online discourse - removing the content of the issue and leaving only a description phrased to sound innocent.
what happened is that the straight-up nazi was posting, someone identified that this person was a straight-up nazi, the nazi admitted they were that nazi, then KDE banned the person calling out the nazi and kept the nazi
KDE *later* banned the nazi - after public outrage at KDE's behaviour - but the person who called the nazi out is still banned
the social media person sympathising here with the nazi tries to claim that calling out the nazi is equivalent to real world violence.
@davidgerard Just dropping this here for your ongoing documentation.
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hm, i thought KDE was trying to make up for platforming the nazi. lots of people today saying "let's give KDE a chance!"
nope, they're now doubling down further.
this post is a study in the art of nazi apologetics in online discourse - removing the content of the issue and leaving only a description phrased to sound innocent.
what happened is that the straight-up nazi was posting, someone identified that this person was a straight-up nazi, the nazi admitted they were that nazi, then KDE banned the person calling out the nazi and kept the nazi
KDE *later* banned the nazi - after public outrage at KDE's behaviour - but the person who called the nazi out is still banned
the social media person sympathising here with the nazi tries to claim that calling out the nazi is equivalent to real world violence.
Talk a lot of shit, then clutch your pearls when someone calls you out for being a shitty person. "Freedom of speech, be professional, etc"
Typical bully behavior.
I was glad to hear they banned the Nazi. But then heard the original person is still banned. So they decided they were right, the guy's a fascist, but still kept the ban in place.
Nah, man. Pointing out someone's shitty behavior is not violence. Dehumanizing people absolutely is.
And the "punching someone seemingly at random" is interesting. Because, in that scenario, it wasn't random, they just didn't have the information. It *seemed* random but it's not.
Geez. The hoops people will jump through to try and claim neutrality. But if someone advocates dehumanizing people -- including people like some of my kids -- neutrality is just support for them.
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Talk a lot of shit, then clutch your pearls when someone calls you out for being a shitty person. "Freedom of speech, be professional, etc"
Typical bully behavior.
I was glad to hear they banned the Nazi. But then heard the original person is still banned. So they decided they were right, the guy's a fascist, but still kept the ban in place.
Nah, man. Pointing out someone's shitty behavior is not violence. Dehumanizing people absolutely is.
And the "punching someone seemingly at random" is interesting. Because, in that scenario, it wasn't random, they just didn't have the information. It *seemed* random but it's not.
Geez. The hoops people will jump through to try and claim neutrality. But if someone advocates dehumanizing people -- including people like some of my kids -- neutrality is just support for them.
@Bfordham I'm very disappointed that they didn't unban the original person, or at least give them the option to appeal it @davidgerard
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@Bfordham I'm very disappointed that they didn't unban the original person, or at least give them the option to appeal it @davidgerard
Same. Especially since they banned the nazi and even said "normally we wouldn't do this but it's so blatant."
I'd even take "We're unbanning you, please follow the process next time" or whatever.
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@davidgerard seem you need glass.
They remind people how to report nazi, instead of attacking him / her directly in case he / she's innocent.
We need order and rules ..., where nazi are removed properly, not witch hunt.
@skyblitz @davidgerard The proper way to remove a Nazi is to plunge a stake through it's heart, separate the head from the body, crucify the body in sunlight and throw the head across a river.
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hm, i thought KDE was trying to make up for platforming the nazi. lots of people today saying "let's give KDE a chance!"
nope, they're now doubling down further.
this post is a study in the art of nazi apologetics in online discourse - removing the content of the issue and leaving only a description phrased to sound innocent.
what happened is that the straight-up nazi was posting, someone identified that this person was a straight-up nazi, the nazi admitted they were that nazi, then KDE banned the person calling out the nazi and kept the nazi
KDE *later* banned the nazi - after public outrage at KDE's behaviour - but the person who called the nazi out is still banned
the social media person sympathising here with the nazi tries to claim that calling out the nazi is equivalent to real world violence.
@davidgerard Does KDE need a shovel to dig a deeper hole at this point.
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@skyblitz
“Order and rules” alone are quickly subverted by by nazis, because you can't write enough rules for every case, and right-wingers are adapting faster than any governance process.Many communities have fallen to this already.
See Popper's Paradox (as a social contract) and the Alt-Right Playbook for the basics:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ@dzwiedziu @davidgerard yeah sacrifice the innocent become some nazi exist.
This kind of thinking is as bad as their ...
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@sotolf @davidgerard yeah so beautiful people like you that prefer sacrifice innocent for their anti nazi, your as bad as nazi ...
me i prefer no nazi and protecting innocent
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@skyblitz @davidgerard The proper way to remove a Nazi is to plunge a stake through it's heart, separate the head from the body, crucify the body in sunlight and throw the head across a river.
@shnizmuffin @davidgerard yeah sure sacrifice innocent in the process, you are as bad as nazi.
And calling for death is a crime btw. so you are really as bad as them. bye criminal
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hm, i thought KDE was trying to make up for platforming the nazi. lots of people today saying "let's give KDE a chance!"
nope, they're now doubling down further.
this post is a study in the art of nazi apologetics in online discourse - removing the content of the issue and leaving only a description phrased to sound innocent.
what happened is that the straight-up nazi was posting, someone identified that this person was a straight-up nazi, the nazi admitted they were that nazi, then KDE banned the person calling out the nazi and kept the nazi
KDE *later* banned the nazi - after public outrage at KDE's behaviour - but the person who called the nazi out is still banned
the social media person sympathising here with the nazi tries to claim that calling out the nazi is equivalent to real world violence.
This is definitely a "it's worse to call someone a racist than be a racist" type of mentality, an attempt at tone policing, etc.
