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How much slop is in Linux now?

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  • yora@mastodon.gamedev.placeY yora@mastodon.gamedev.place

    @landelare @spitfire @McCovican Sure. If we make all the Linux software run on it I'd be happy to use it.

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    #17

    @yora @landelare @spitfire @McCovican

    Redox OS @redox_os@icosahedron.websit (strong anti AI policy) already runs a ton, including a graphical desktop!

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    • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

      How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

      https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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      #18

      @davidgerard@circumstances.run Sorry, I can’t read it, I have thrown all of my computers into the sea and never wish to touch one again.

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      • kbm0@mastodon.socialK kbm0@mastodon.social

        @davidgerard That will make it tricky once all LLM assisted content is ruled as copyright infringement and needs to be stripped out.

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        #19

        @kbm0 @davidgerard i wonder if that's part of the reason for this change

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        • mccovican@infosec.exchangeM mccovican@infosec.exchange

          @spitfire @davidgerard

          I'm afraid that glimmer is looking more and more like a mirage...

          https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/

          His ignorance is, at this point, wholly wilful.

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          #20

          @McCovican @spitfire @davidgerard unfortunately, the trend more and more agentic AI contributions to the kernel and less and less humans vetted to make those AI contributions. Linux will stop being a community project, and it will be more like a few key maintainers and companies managing AI agents to mutate the code, "open source" only in the sense that, I guess, you can look at the code with your eyeballs if you want

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          • paul@fedi.paulwilde.ukP paul@fedi.paulwilde.uk

            @davidgerard@circumstances.run Sorry, I can’t read it, I have thrown all of my computers into the sea and never wish to touch one again.

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            #21

            @paul a wise choice

            good thing masto works on an abacus now

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            • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

              @paul a wise choice

              good thing masto works on an abacus now

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              #22
              @davidgerard @paul
              "good thing masto works on an abacus now"
              i thought that was supposed to be SNAC and GoToSocial's big feature.
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              • tmw@ioc.exchangeT tmw@ioc.exchange

                @kbm0 @davidgerard i wonder if that's part of the reason for this change

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                #23

                @tmw @kbm0 @davidgerard Yeah, I don't know for sure, but considering Linux is basically a corporate project, this change will also provide welcome ambiguity for lawyers that either want to enforce copyright claim on the kernel or deny copyright infringement. The ambiguity will also be useful for lobbyists when arguing for favorable changes to laws, "It's already deeply embedded, and there's no way to tell what was written by what!"

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                • mccovican@infosec.exchangeM mccovican@infosec.exchange

                  @spitfire @davidgerard

                  I'm afraid that glimmer is looking more and more like a mirage...

                  https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/

                  His ignorance is, at this point, wholly wilful.

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                  #24

                  @McCovican @spitfire @davidgerard

                  Wait is he arguing that deterministic and non-deterministic are the same thing?

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                  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                    How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

                    https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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                    #25
                    @davidgerard wow that’s pathetic
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                    • spitfire@mastodon.deS spitfire@mastodon.de

                      @davidgerard

                      I am really baffled by the speed of how fast this project goes down the shitter 😥

                      /e: yet there's still a glimmer of hope that torvalds is going to get over his "it's just a tool" phase. I heard him already complaining about the volume of bogus pull requests etc.

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                      #26

                      @spitfire @davidgerard I’m afraid this will not end in Torvalds getting over whatever this is but us realizing he’s a full blown neonazi or something.

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                      • zedaardv@mastodon.worldZ zedaardv@mastodon.world

                        @McCovican @spitfire @davidgerard

                        Wait is he arguing that deterministic and non-deterministic are the same thing?

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                        #27

                        @zedaardv yep - that's what he's doing. The mind boggles!

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                        • spitfire@mastodon.deS spitfire@mastodon.de

                          @zedaardv yep - that's what he's doing. The mind boggles!

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                          #28

                          @spitfire
                          Damn! what a muppet.

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                          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                            How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

                            https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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                            #29

                            @davidgerard if not for explicites audit reason, there is no need to have it. Who commit is the owner and responsible.

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                            • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                              How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

                              https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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                              #30

                              @davidgerard I have always perceived these footnotes and tags as free advertisement for multi billion dollar corporations that already make the news every other day with new bullshit hacks and mishaps because plastering the company name across everything there is is the only thing that matters, they want to be everywhere all the time. Therefore I'm happy with less ad spam, in particular due to the unenforcable, voluntary nature of these tags, a generic "assisted by: LLM" would be kinda useless.

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                              • opmodoro@mastodon.unoO opmodoro@mastodon.uno

                                @davidgerard if not for explicites audit reason, there is no need to have it. Who commit is the owner and responsible.

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                                #31

                                @Opmodoro 0 follower spam sockpuppet

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                                • cynaq@beige.partyC cynaq@beige.party

                                  @spitfire @davidgerard I’m afraid this will not end in Torvalds getting over whatever this is but us realizing he’s a full blown neonazi or something.

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                                  #32

                                  @CynAq @spitfire @davidgerard I also don't think he gets over it. He just seems so ultra utility-focused and small scoped. Who cares it's drowning the reviewers, or leading to widespread problems mental wise. To him it feels faster right now, and probably does in the future when he vibe codes some other random bullshit. Review burden, understanding of systems and code? Who needs it, go pay Anthropic to save them one more day until they burn, bitches.

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                                  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                    How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

                                    https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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                                    #33

                                    @davidgerard Final straw for me. I am, as Emperor Penguin suggested, "forking off"...to #NetBSD

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                                    • dimenzio@social.linux.pizzaD dimenzio@social.linux.pizza

                                      @CynAq @spitfire @davidgerard I also don't think he gets over it. He just seems so ultra utility-focused and small scoped. Who cares it's drowning the reviewers, or leading to widespread problems mental wise. To him it feels faster right now, and probably does in the future when he vibe codes some other random bullshit. Review burden, understanding of systems and code? Who needs it, go pay Anthropic to save them one more day until they burn, bitches.

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                                      #34

                                      @dimenzio @CynAq @davidgerard after catching up on all his recent posts I am going to retract my "glimmer of hope" statement. The man is deteriorating fast.

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                                      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                        How much slop is in Linux now? Ehh we decided not to tell you

                                        https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org/

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                                        #35

                                        @davidgerard What I don’t understand is why this seems to be the only place the kernel is willing to embrace anything modern. I mean, there was a maintainers’ revolt over Rust and development still happens over email with format-patch, but LLMs come in and suddenly it’s all about accepting the future of software development.

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                                        • zedaardv@mastodon.worldZ zedaardv@mastodon.world

                                          @McCovican @spitfire @davidgerard

                                          Wait is he arguing that deterministic and non-deterministic are the same thing?

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                                          #36

                                          @zedaardv @McCovican @spitfire @davidgerard

                                          "And quite honestly, in my experience, the people I respect and call
                                          intelligent are not the ones that shy away from using new and
                                          interesting tools."

                                          Being new does not make something interesting or useful.

                                          Also: Kind of hard to "shy away" from something that is being forced on you.

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