Have Wikipedia and Mozilla passed a point of inevitable decline?

[astraleureka@social.treehouse.systems]

@evan I'm really worried about wiki, but there's still a chance of recovery; it would also be significantly easier to fork wiki compared to forking Firefox (from a development aspect at least... legal questions in licensing not so much)

[indyradio@kafeneio.social]

@evan There are mitigations for Mozilla, though they have become more difficult, and maybe it's a time for another #icecat though maybe #debian should be on the list, thanks to the encroachment of business.

[indyradio@kafeneio.social]

@pizaaman @evan I don't know but I'd like some pizza now. extra cheese.

[rhelune@todon.eu]

@evan @pizaaman Just say why. I know they banned slop.

[indyradio@kafeneio.social]

@rhelune @evan @pizaaman here is one: CIA.

[rhelune@todon.eu]

@indyradio @evan @pizaaman News search about wikipedia and CIA resulted in nothing. You could have written more or added a link.

[indyradio@kafeneio.social]

@rhelune @evan @pizaaman goodbye, nitwit.

[davey_cakes@mastodon.ie]

@evan Wikipedia is self-correcting imo

Mozilla can't stop LARPing as big tech

[evan@cosocial.ca]

@rhelune @pizaaman I don't give my answer to polls until the end of the poll. I don't like colouring people's responses.

If you don't think it's in decline, answer that. If you think it's in decline but that decline is not inevitable -- it could still recover -- answer that.

I just did a quick Google search for "Wikipedia decline" and there were a lot of hits, so I think this topic is relatively easy to research yourself. And if you don't want to do that, skip the poll.

[evan@cosocial.ca]

@rhelune The question that @pizaaman asked is very close to the question in the poll. I guess the difference is that they asked what other people think about Wikipedia.

[evan@cosocial.ca]

@philip I don't think it's a good idea for me to convince you either way. Use a search engine if you're curious. If you find evidence that makes you think one way or another, use that to inform your answer. If that's more work than you think a poll is worth, feel free to skip the question.

[anime_reference@wetdry.world]

@evan mozilla absolutely, but I can't figure out why wikipedia would be on this poll

[rhelune@todon.eu]

@evan @pizaaman All right, making my uninformed decision.

[evan@cosocial.ca]

@anime_reference ok, so, how did you answer?

[evan@cosocial.ca]

@anime_reference also did you try searching for "Wikipedia decline" or doing other research?

[anime_reference@wetdry.world]

@evan I voted "mozilla only", as their market share is long gone and they've recently torched all the goodwill they had left

I just now searched for 'wikipedia decline' and pretty much every result was a headline about AI search summaries. which isn't a real problem

[anime_reference@wetdry.world]

@evan well, you deleted your post, but what I can say after reading some amount of all that is:
if the wikipedia team honestly thinks pageviews is a reliable metric for anything I'm slightly more worried than before

but I still think the site's in good shape, especially after the recent decision to reject AI contributions

[evan@cosocial.ca]

@anime_reference I'll add them back when the poll is over! I broke my own rules about polls, so I deleted them.

[wlach@mastodon.social]

@evan I don't like to think anything's inevitable. I've been disillusioned with both for different reasons, but a turnaround is always possible. Still use Wikipedia heavily and Firefox as my primary browser.

[nickapos@mastodon.oncrete.uk]

@evan Mozilla yes, Wikipedia no. Wikipedia is a lot more than user traffic. When someone wants to actually check the sources of AI they have to go to the source.