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  3. Almost all the servers on Mastodon and the wider Fediverse are run by unpaid grassroots volunteers that pay their server's bills out of their own pockets.

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  • internic@mathstodon.xyzI internic@mathstodon.xyz

    @FediTips @FranceskaMann The post I was replying to seemed to me to be suggesting that there were no real problems to be addressed. My post was describing why I think there are significant problems to be addressed. I wasn't claiming to have the correct solutions. I suspect that various experiments will need to be tried to find good solutions, and it will likely require a mix of approaches to cover all types of users and use cases.

    To address the specific examples I gave, I think managed hosting is useful to professionalize the hosting portion of the equation and make the full costs explicit; even if that still leaves the puzzle of how to fund it. Things like CoSocial are even more encouraging, as they explicitly require payment for membership (while creating a mechanism for gift memberships to support those who can't pay), rather than relying on users to spontaneously donate to cover unknown costs. And by involving users in governance, it may make people more invested, help them understand the challenges of running the server, and help guide the instance toward solutions that work for users.

    https://blog.cosocial.ca/

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    Dette indlæg er slettet!
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    • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

      @joelp

      How would an instance admin sell a public thread?

      Surely LLMs etc will just slurp it without asking permission?

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      @FediTips @joelp no LLM's can not do that without the guy knowing what to ask to the LLM so that discriminate the weapon not the actor.
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      • zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.orgZ zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org
        @FediTips @joelp no LLM's can not do that without the guy knowing what to ask to the LLM so that discriminate the weapon not the actor.
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        @zer0unplanned

        The "training" data (i.e. stolen data) for LLMs is usually slurped without permission or compensation, they pirate stuff and get away with it:

        https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/02/meta-torrented-over-81-7tb-of-pirated-books-to-train-ai-authors-say/

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        • zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.orgZ zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org
          @FediTips @joelp no LLM's can not do that without the guy knowing what to ask to the LLM so that discriminate the weapon not the actor.
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          @zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org @FediTips@social.growyourown.services @joelp@mastodon.sdf.org what

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          • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

            @feyter

            It depends on what is meant by sustainable and long scale. There are many instances that have been operating since 2017 (Mastodon only began in 2016) or similar.

            There have been many commercial social networks which have come and gone in that time such as Post News and Hive, which were run by professionals. The commercial networks couldn't make enough money to please investors so they shut down. Whereas the non-professional Fedi just carried on as it didn't need to please investors.

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            @FediTips@social.growyourown.services @feyter@mastodon.gamedev.place there are instances older than mastodon

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            • joelp@mastodon.sdf.orgJ joelp@mastodon.sdf.org

              @FediTips Yes, good point. Monetization of any kind isn't done by anyone hosting.

              Thanks. I tend to think worst case in this age of surveillance economy.

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              @joelp

              It's totally fair to ask about risk of data sales, and a reasonable attitude 🙂

              As far as I know it hasn't happened, but of course there's always a risk online.

              One thing that's really good about the Fedi is it doesn't ask for more personal data than it needs, there's no requirement for a phone number or real name or personal photo etc.

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              • tauon@possum.cityT tauon@possum.city

                @zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org @FediTips@social.growyourown.services @joelp@mastodon.sdf.org what

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                @tauon @FediTips @joelp read
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                • tauon@possum.cityT tauon@possum.city

                  @FediTips@social.growyourown.services @feyter@mastodon.gamedev.place there are instances older than mastodon

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                  @tauon @FediTips and there will be instances as long as at least one person is willing to host them.

                  But will there be enough people willing (and able) to host and administrate enough instances for the entire world all just for cost coverage at best? I don't think so.

                  Fediverse will not die without more possibilities to secure a revenue. But without it, I highly doubt it will get big enough for the change in society it could provide.

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                  • zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.orgZ zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org
                    @tauon @FediTips @joelp read
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                    #35

                    @zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org @FediTips@social.growyourown.services @joelp@mastodon.sdf.org do you fucking think i didn't

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                    • feyter@mastodon.gamedev.placeF feyter@mastodon.gamedev.place

                      @tauon @FediTips and there will be instances as long as at least one person is willing to host them.

                      But will there be enough people willing (and able) to host and administrate enough instances for the entire world all just for cost coverage at best? I don't think so.

                      Fediverse will not die without more possibilities to secure a revenue. But without it, I highly doubt it will get big enough for the change in society it could provide.

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                      @feyter @tauon

                      "But will there be enough people willing (and able) to host and administrate enough instances for the entire world all just for cost coverage at best? I don't think so. "

                      You're asserting this, but you're not providing specific examples to support your case?

                      The best-funded and most corporate-like instance on the Fedi is mastodon.social but it has worse-than-average moderation and many other instances either block it or would like to (but feel it's too big to block).

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                      • tauon@possum.cityT tauon@possum.city

                        @zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org @FediTips@social.growyourown.services @joelp@mastodon.sdf.org do you fucking think i didn't

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                        @tauon @FediTips @joelp I friendly think that you are aggressive kind.
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                        • zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.orgZ zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org
                          @tauon @FediTips @joelp I friendly think that you are aggressive kind.
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                          @zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org @FediTips@social.growyourown.services @joelp@mastodon.sdf.org i just think a reply asking me to read it is not very nice when i asked what you were trying to say

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                          • tauon@possum.cityT tauon@possum.city

                            @zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org @FediTips@social.growyourown.services @joelp@mastodon.sdf.org i just think a reply asking me to read it is not very nice when i asked what you were trying to say

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                            @tauon @FediTips @joelp Is why I said read, if you read you understand beyond that search a medic.
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                            • zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.orgZ zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org
                              @tauon @FediTips @joelp Is why I said read, if you read you understand beyond that search a medic.
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                              @zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org @FediTips@social.growyourown.services @joelp@mastodon.sdf.org are you implying that there's no such thing as nonsense? or do i yet again not understand

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                              • tauon@possum.cityT tauon@possum.city

                                @zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org @FediTips@social.growyourown.services @joelp@mastodon.sdf.org are you implying that there's no such thing as nonsense? or do i yet again not understand

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                                @tauon @FediTips @joelp your mom is nonsense
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                                • zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.orgZ zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org
                                  @tauon @FediTips @joelp your mom is nonsense
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                                  @zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org @FediTips@social.growyourown.services @joelp@mastodon.sdf.org okay man i didn't realise you were just trolling very badly

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                                  • tauon@possum.cityT tauon@possum.city

                                    @zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org @FediTips@social.growyourown.services @joelp@mastodon.sdf.org okay man i didn't realise you were just trolling very badly

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                                    @tauon @FediTips @joelp and I troll? Means you 've read not a page of book even.
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                                    • zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.orgZ zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org
                                      @tauon @FediTips @joelp and I troll? Means you 've read not a page of book even.
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                                      @zer0unplanned @tauon

                                      This is not a good advert for the Fediverse. It's supposed to be a thread about helping volunteer admins.

                                      I'm not going to tell you what to post elsewhere, but this is derailing my thread.

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                                      • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                                        @feyter @tauon

                                        "But will there be enough people willing (and able) to host and administrate enough instances for the entire world all just for cost coverage at best? I don't think so. "

                                        You're asserting this, but you're not providing specific examples to support your case?

                                        The best-funded and most corporate-like instance on the Fedi is mastodon.social but it has worse-than-average moderation and many other instances either block it or would like to (but feel it's too big to block).

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                                        @FediTips @tauon I think you just provided the evidence.

                                        Mastodon.social is run by a non profit organization while they have the burden to be host for "normal people". Mastodon is far from being popular enough for making a real social change in the world, but we already have instances struggling to handle the people.

                                        So if people will not change their behavior, and the Fediverse will not change it's acceptance of commerciality, I don't see how this should work out with even bigger numbers.

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                                        • feyter@mastodon.gamedev.placeF feyter@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                          @FediTips @tauon I think you just provided the evidence.

                                          Mastodon.social is run by a non profit organization while they have the burden to be host for "normal people". Mastodon is far from being popular enough for making a real social change in the world, but we already have instances struggling to handle the people.

                                          So if people will not change their behavior, and the Fediverse will not change it's acceptance of commerciality, I don't see how this should work out with even bigger numbers.

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                                          @feyter

                                          "I think you just provided the evidence"

                                          I meant mastodon.social moderation is worse than smaller volunteer-based unpaid Mastodon instances.

                                          "we already have instances struggling to handle the people."

                                          It's mastodon.social that is struggling because it has too many people. Smaller instances are coping and taking on new members.

                                          "I don't see how this should work out with even bigger numbers"

                                          The more people join the Fedi, the more new Fedi servers get started. It scales up.

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