crime is a spook
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that’s how speech works. people make up what they say.
when making claims about the natural world, doing that is worse than just keeping your mouth shut.
shame you wouldn’t recognize when you’re talking to an expert, since they have information and experience that contradicts your keyboard warrior lifestyle. but go off.
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shame you wouldn’t recognize when you’re talking to an expert, since they have information and experience that contradicts your keyboard warrior lifestyle. but go off.
an unsupported appeal to authority.
if you were an expert you wouldn’t have made the erroneous claim.
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an unsupported appeal to authority.
if you were an expert you wouldn’t have made the erroneous claim.
there you go with your fallacy fallacy again ben
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every line of that comment.
So you are unable to specify exactly what was fabricated.
At least you should be able to provide evidence against the things I said.
I mean, it’s not like ancient Mesopotamia had accounting practices 7000 years ago or anything.
I’m sure there are plenty of examples of currency and hierarchy free societies with populations in the tens to hundreds of millions you could provide.
I’d also be interested to see what your plan is to peacefully change the governmental structure for 8 billion people.
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So you are unable to specify exactly what was fabricated.
At least you should be able to provide evidence against the things I said.
I mean, it’s not like ancient Mesopotamia had accounting practices 7000 years ago or anything.
I’m sure there are plenty of examples of currency and hierarchy free societies with populations in the tens to hundreds of millions you could provide.
I’d also be interested to see what your plan is to peacefully change the governmental structure for 8 billion people.
We’ve never entirely eliminated money or government at a large scale to test the hypothesis if we would just make these concepts again. So it is entirely made up to say we would just invent them again because you can’t prove we would. Admittedly, its nearly impossible to test in the real world.
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So you are unable to specify exactly what was fabricated.
At least you should be able to provide evidence against the things I said.
I mean, it’s not like ancient Mesopotamia had accounting practices 7000 years ago or anything.
I’m sure there are plenty of examples of currency and hierarchy free societies with populations in the tens to hundreds of millions you could provide.
I’d also be interested to see what your plan is to peacefully change the governmental structure for 8 billion people.
So you are unable to specify exactly what was fabricated.
i did. every line.
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Step two, pick victims who are socially disadvantaged
Step 3: Pit them against each other to distract them while you run out the back carrying all the money, leaving them with crumbs.
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Community defences is a suitable replacement.
I can point to millions of examples of cops and courts getting it wrong and innocent people suffering and dying, yet that’s not an argument against the system for you so why should it be against community management?
As there are millions of examples of them finding culprits and getting it right. I may not agree with the punishments, but I think your argument breaks down outside of a very small close knit community of people who practice consensus decision making.
You can’t just plop down community management without the culture to make it work. These tools are missing from most communities and would lead to as many negative results if not more.
We don’t even need to create hypothetical examples of this because we already have many historical examples of community management gone wrong like the Salem Witch trials.
I think you need to seriously address this before you can shout community management as a panacea.
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I can guarantee you that mob justice would be worse.
i don’t see how. do you have a crystal ball?
You don’t need a crystal ball to observe history.
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I’m not disagreeing with any argument against the current system, I’m just saying that putting the power in the hands of the people isn’t a suitable replacement.
Professional, highly educated and properly trained law enforcement with robust civilian oversight is the solution.
Law enforcement itself is a problem, it cannot be regulated or trained to anything but the tool of state oppression.
People with a direct stake in the wellbeing of a community are the only people who can properly care for the community.
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call me when you’ve built a single homeless shelter. just one. then you can lecture me on anything.
you just sit behind your keyboard. Some of us (not you) actually live it.
I would be arrested for doing so, as I would not meet legal qualifications. I volunteer preparing and serving food to the community, houseless or not.
But that has nothing to do with your ridiculous argument that people would simply recreate the same systems of oppression as if it were a natural biological trait of all people and not a social construct.
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And the social contract is some divine thing, or what?
It’s not, nor is it fixed.
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As there are millions of examples of them finding culprits and getting it right. I may not agree with the punishments, but I think your argument breaks down outside of a very small close knit community of people who practice consensus decision making.
You can’t just plop down community management without the culture to make it work. These tools are missing from most communities and would lead to as many negative results if not more.
We don’t even need to create hypothetical examples of this because we already have many historical examples of community management gone wrong like the Salem Witch trials.
I think you need to seriously address this before you can shout community management as a panacea.
You can’t just plop down community management without the culture to make it work. These tools are missing from most communities and would lead to as many negative results if not more.
Well of course. Nothing will work right away if people aren’t educated and empowered. But the tools are missing precisely because we have given them to the state. Thus to see this change, they must be returned to the community who can relearn to practice them.
We also have examples of community management going right, such as in Rojava or Chiaps where the people are the ones patrolling their streets, deciding on how to right wrongs collectively, and generally showing much better results than we have in the West.
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That’s the point of government: the state has a monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force.
That’s from “Politics as a Vocation” by Max Weber. It’s also why the population needs to beat back if that violence isn’t legitimate (i.e. it’s abusing the population in the first place).
Weber did mean to legitimize the state but his reasoning can easily be turned from prescriptive to descriptive: we define the state as merely the entity with monopoly on violence over an area. Who decides what is “legitimate” violence? Why, the state, of course: by definition, it has the means to impose its views.
The Weberian idea is there are legitimate non-violent politics that the state offers itself to, which therefore allow the state to use violence against unlegitimate politics that don’t “play by the rules”. However since the state itself decides what is legitimate or not, and since any illegitimate political group will turn illegal else disappear when faced with the violence of the state, we just land back where we started: the state has a monopoly on violence and that is what decides what is “legitimate” politics, and therefore what is legitimate violence. The state calls its own violence “law”, but that of others “crime”.
The current labelling of political opponents as terrorists by the US government is illustrative of that. Some Weberians have you believe that is all legitimate since after all there indeed was an election
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You can’t just plop down community management without the culture to make it work. These tools are missing from most communities and would lead to as many negative results if not more.
Well of course. Nothing will work right away if people aren’t educated and empowered. But the tools are missing precisely because we have given them to the state. Thus to see this change, they must be returned to the community who can relearn to practice them.
We also have examples of community management going right, such as in Rojava or Chiaps where the people are the ones patrolling their streets, deciding on how to right wrongs collectively, and generally showing much better results than we have in the West.
Herein lies the problem, without community management taking over naturally it would be thrust artificially onto communities. You can’t reasonably expect these skills to be learned naturally, this would require external education which would then require a lot of social capital to be successful.
Who is going to dismantle the state and remember that it has to be a slow gradual learning process for communities?
Also, community management almost has to take place in a vacuum because when it bumps up against a state it quickly dissolves losing its power such as what happened in Rojava in the start of 2026 leading it to being incorporated into the Syrian state.
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Government is like money. Get rid of it and people will create it again to fill the function they need it to fill, so let’s have it do what we need and help instead of harm
There is still a point, though, when a government gets so bad that you just have to throw it away even if you know a new one would eventually rise to replace it.
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It’s not, nor is it fixed.
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I would be arrested for doing so, as I would not meet legal qualifications. I volunteer preparing and serving food to the community, houseless or not.
But that has nothing to do with your ridiculous argument that people would simply recreate the same systems of oppression as if it were a natural biological trait of all people and not a social construct.
so it sounds like even though you’re fond of citing dunbar you’ve never actually read his research. CURIOUS.
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You don’t need a crystal ball to observe history.
the past isn’t the future
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the past isn’t the future
No shit, but looking at past results is how we make informed decisions about literally everything. What the fuck is your point?
