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  3. From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

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  • allpoints@mstdn.socialA allpoints@mstdn.social

    @overholt language is fascinating. Today I learned, "The book's value has migrated." is Techbro speak for, "We've stolen another book."

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    #130

    @allpoints @overholt Migrated...wait that's what geese do....so like the goose, the book was not valued.

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    • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

      From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

      “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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      #131

      @overholt These people are idiots.

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      • allpoints@mstdn.socialA allpoints@mstdn.social

        @overholt language is fascinating. Today I learned, "The book's value has migrated." is Techbro speak for, "We've stolen another book."

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        #132

        @allpoints @overholt "Aw damn, looks like someone migrated the value of my bike!"

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        • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

          From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

          “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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          #133

          @overholt forget rare historical books, scrolls, tablets … not!

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          • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

            From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

            “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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            #134

            @overholt these people are so detached from reality.

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            • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

              From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

              “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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              #135

              @overholt
              The CEO of an AI company is merely a delivery system for genetic coding. Once the genetic coding has been transferred from the CEO's genome to a digital repository the delivery system has done its job. The CEO has not been butchered in an abattoir, their value has migrated. The body goes back into the material cycle, the genetic information into the intellectual one.

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              • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

                “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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                #136

                @overholt what soulless ghouls.

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                • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                  From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

                  “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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                  #137

                  @overholt These fuckers need to be strung up and prevented from damaging another human pursuit ever again.

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                  • ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai

                    @overholt

                    Oh, I’d like to suggest that it’s much more than simply feeling a knife in the gut.

                    This is book burning 2.0

                    We don’t know what AI does to, and with the content it ingests. A consolidates control over information into the hands of the few.

                    The value of the book was to broadly disseminate information. The value of AI to psychopaths is to consolidate control over information.

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                    #138

                    @GhostOnTheHalfShell @overholt oh we know

                    they copy the isbn and metadata
                    save each scan in some datalake
                    ocr each scan into another datalake
                    associate metadata in db with artifacts in lake
                    sucked into a model
                    each retraining can reuse as needed

                    no way they delete the artifacts but also no way they would share

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                    • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                      Apparently the quote was shocking enough they've rewritten the post, but IA has the receipts. https://web.archive.org/web/20260720152647/https://isbndb.com/blog/print-books-sourcing-ai-training/

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                      #139

                      @overholt "its value has migrated." but BOOK WAS NOT VALUED.

                      i'll take my golden egg now, thank you.

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                      • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                        From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

                        “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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                        #140

                        @overholt
                        These fools have never seen the original 'Rollerball'. They should.

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                        • jessamyn@glammr.usJ jessamyn@glammr.us

                          @linguistory @overholt iirc they mostly do non-destructive scanning

                          https://digitization.archive.org/digitization/

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                          #141

                          @jessamyn @overholt I think that sometime in the 2010s they shifted to sending a lot of books to China and the Philippines for scanning.

                          I'm going off of this DH project, which looked at the metadata attached to scanned IA items in addition to talking to scanning staff: https://scanninglabor.github.io/IAScanningLabor/discussion.html

                          I saw these folks present at a conference, and recall them saying the books were being destroyed rather than sent back across the Pacific—but can't find confirmation

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                          • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                            As someone who has devoted his career to celebrating and preserving the artifactual, tangible value of books, this feels like a knife in the gut.

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                            #142

                            @overholt They're just very foolish people. They think we're living in the Star Trek age, which is set three centuries from now.

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                            • linguistory@code4lib.socialL linguistory@code4lib.social

                              @jessamyn @overholt I think that sometime in the 2010s they shifted to sending a lot of books to China and the Philippines for scanning.

                              I'm going off of this DH project, which looked at the metadata attached to scanned IA items in addition to talking to scanning staff: https://scanninglabor.github.io/IAScanningLabor/discussion.html

                              I saw these folks present at a conference, and recall them saying the books were being destroyed rather than sent back across the Pacific—but can't find confirmation

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                              #143

                              @linguistory @overholt Thanks -- it's entirely possible I am not correct about that

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                              • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                                @classwario See here: https://glammr.us/@overholt/117009712586141270

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                                #144

                                @overholt It would be difficult for them to be more wrong about this. But it sounds like they might be too stupid to ever understand any better.

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                                • drwho@masto.hackers.townD drwho@masto.hackers.town

                                  @Remittancegirl @kimlockhartga @overholt "Unlicensed knowledge is piracy."

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                                  #145

                                  @drwho @Remittancegirl @kimlockhartga @overholt you know what I say to that? “Arrrrr you serious?”

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                                  • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                                    From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

                                    “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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                                    #146

                                    @overholt That’s some cold shit right there. 😳

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                                    • c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.ioC c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io

                                      @drwho @Remittancegirl @kimlockhartga @overholt you know what I say to that? “Arrrrr you serious?”

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                                      #147

                                      @c0dec0dec0de @Remittancegirl @kimlockhartga @overholt Back up fully and often.

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                                      • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                                        As someone who has devoted his career to celebrating and preserving the artifactual, tangible value of books, this feels like a knife in the gut.

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                                        #148

                                        @overholt They don't believe in the information that isn't in the print. Their awareness of "bibliography" goes no further than "list of works cited". They probably use APA style and think that it's the best.

                                        Much of this applies to a vast number librarians outside the special collections, too.

                                        And unfortunately even to a fair few within special collections.

                                        I once flew to another country to see a book. The desk assistant brought it out to me, and at first glance it was obviously a different copy. I told the assistant this, and she was mystified. How could I be so sure so soon? Because it had a bookplate postdating the person whose traces I was hoping to find. He'd borrowed it repeatedly over several years, keeping it for months each time. I knew when because he was a hoarder and I'd see his borrowing slips, on the back of which he wrote brief reviews of every book documented.

                                        There was evidence in the card catalogue that the copy I wanted had been thrown away because this one was in better condition. So I wasted a flight, accommodation, taxi fares, restaurant food, and several days because someone had not valued the non-print information that I wanted and not bothered to document that in the on-line catalogue in one of those projects where someone says "Let's make the card catalogue digital" and then runs out of resource between making stub entries and filling in the finer details.

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                                        • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                                          From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

                                          “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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                                          #149

                                          @overholt Also striking me that that the paragraph itself is almost certainly AI generated. It’s exactly the set of cliches they’re biased towards.

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