After about twelve hours, the same post had received more than 300 shares and likes on Mastodon, while it had only been shared three times and liked four times on BlueSky.
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@lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @oblomov @john @engel @everton137
i won't, and can't, argue with you about the history of a topic i know nothing about
but i do know that mastodon has plenty of interop with other software projects. do those other projects have the interop you desire? if yes, then mastodon sucks. if no, maybe there's a technical reason
did these older projects you allude to keep up to date with reasonable standards?
mastodon has introduced deviations from the standards, and others have been pretty much forced to adopt the deviations to be able to interoperate with users of the this big bully
the older project I alluded to was catching up, perhaps more slowly than ideal, and then mastodon spit on the plate it ate from since inception, and pulled the plug to kill the healthy interoperation
I'm not telling you this for you to hate mastodon, but to illustrate what can happen when too much power accumulates even in a free software project, to keep such powers in check and to stop promoting mastodon (instead of the Fediverse as a whole) as if getting mastodon further power were a good thing
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mastodon has introduced deviations from the standards, and others have been pretty much forced to adopt the deviations to be able to interoperate with users of the this big bully
the older project I alluded to was catching up, perhaps more slowly than ideal, and then mastodon spit on the plate it ate from since inception, and pulled the plug to kill the healthy interoperation
I'm not telling you this for you to hate mastodon, but to illustrate what can happen when too much power accumulates even in a free software project, to keep such powers in check and to stop promoting mastodon (instead of the Fediverse as a whole) as if getting mastodon further power were a good thing
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But if these breaking changes were improvements, and the older projects were going slower at it, why haven't they caught up? Did they stop trying? What I am saying is should everyone be help hostage by the slowest project? It's not like we're in a monoculture. Plenty of projects have interop with mastodon
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@lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @oblomov @john @engel @everton137
But if these breaking changes were improvements, and the older projects were going slower at it, why haven't they caught up? Did they stop trying? What I am saying is should everyone be help hostage by the slowest project? It's not like we're in a monoculture. Plenty of projects have interop with mastodon
breaking interoperability is not an improvement. whether it's adding a feature in an incompatible way, or dropping an entire protocol, it hampers communication. how can one possibly frame the dropping of an entire protocol as an improvement? the Fediverse has multiple protocols, keeping compatibility with them is not a problem, dropping it is. it's not like any one of them is superior to the other, they're just different, and extend the reach of the Fediverse. Friendica and GNU social are not dropping protocols as they gain support for other protocols. diversity is good. if mastodon weren't the dominant player, these jerk moves would be losing it ground because it would be less able to interoperate. it's abusing its power.
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breaking interoperability is not an improvement. whether it's adding a feature in an incompatible way, or dropping an entire protocol, it hampers communication. how can one possibly frame the dropping of an entire protocol as an improvement? the Fediverse has multiple protocols, keeping compatibility with them is not a problem, dropping it is. it's not like any one of them is superior to the other, they're just different, and extend the reach of the Fediverse. Friendica and GNU social are not dropping protocols as they gain support for other protocols. diversity is good. if mastodon weren't the dominant player, these jerk moves would be losing it ground because it would be less able to interoperate. it's abusing its power.
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"how can one possibly frame the dropping of an entire protocol as an improvement?"
if it is flawed
we drop protocols all the time with better protocols
"it's not like any one of them is superior to the other, they're just different"
i can't comprehend this argument. it is very true protocols have different capabilities, and some are objectively better than others
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@lxo @Jirikiha @macacator @MyWoolyMastadon @oblomov @john @engel @everton137
"how can one possibly frame the dropping of an entire protocol as an improvement?"
if it is flawed
we drop protocols all the time with better protocols
"it's not like any one of them is superior to the other, they're just different"
i can't comprehend this argument. it is very true protocols have different capabilities, and some are objectively better than others
we're not talking about a single line of evolution of protocols, it's about entirely different protocols.
think SMTP (email) and XMPP (instant messaging). one doesn't replace the other.
think IMAP and POP. both serve roughly the same purpose, except IMAP offers a lot more possibilities, but discontinuing either one serves no purpose but prevent communication with servers that support one but not the other.
discontinuing support for Diaspora* or Status.Net or ActivityPub wouldn't make Friendica or Hubzilla better, it would just prevent communication.
imagine if Mastodon implemented AtProto (BlueSky) and then dropped ActivityPub. the former would increase interoperability, but the latter wouldn't make Mastodon better, it would just break compatibility with other ActivityPub implementations. it would fragment the Fediverse. that's what Mastodon did when it dropped Status.Net. it didn't make ActivityPub or Mastodon better, it just burned bridges. it kicked the ladder after climbing it. it's indefensible.
you can try by making up and pulling absurd, baseless arguments out of your hat, but that doesn't look great. it shows not only your ignorance, but also your blind faith on a project that has already shown not to deserve it, and your determination to defend its jerk moves by making things up.
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The unofficial @FediTips can be very helpful in explaining the quirks of the various APIs in the fediverse.
@AlsoPaisleyCat @CarineMissiaen @luca @everton137
Carine, if you want any help with using this place please feel free to ask!
Also, there is lots of help on the website at https://fedi.tips
