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  • benpate@mastodon.socialB benpate@mastodon.social

    Have you seen this news?

    #Mastodon just got funding to add end to end encryption into their software.

    So, some time next year, you’ll be able to send truly private messages to the vast majority of the #Fediverse

    Im so excited about this.

    Because it’s an open spec, this opens the doors for every Fediverse app to join the party.

    Yesterday, this project was a proof of concept. Today, Mastodon has turned it into a stampede.

    #E2EE

    https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2026/04/sovereign-tech-agency-funding/

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    #16

    @benpate I love when government agencies do what they’re supposed to do!!

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      @benpate That's good, French gov will not be able to spy on us.

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      #17

      @manul70 Yup! Though I'm less concerned with nation states. Nation-states are considered an "Advanced Persistent Threat" - and if they want into your devices, then god help you. Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/538/

      But, this will be great for thwarting the next tier down: web scrapers, nosy admins, and corporate spies.

      Anyone building #E2EE is a win for the Fediverse...

      MASTODON building e2ee is a HUGE win for the Fediverse.

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      • benpate@mastodon.socialB benpate@mastodon.social

        Have you seen this news?

        #Mastodon just got funding to add end to end encryption into their software.

        So, some time next year, you’ll be able to send truly private messages to the vast majority of the #Fediverse

        Im so excited about this.

        Because it’s an open spec, this opens the doors for every Fediverse app to join the party.

        Yesterday, this project was a proof of concept. Today, Mastodon has turned it into a stampede.

        #E2EE

        https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2026/04/sovereign-tech-agency-funding/

        retrohax@mastodon.gamedev.placeR This user is from outside of this forum
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        #18

        @benpate oh hey look its Peak being Added to Mastodon 😄

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        • retrohax@mastodon.gamedev.placeR retrohax@mastodon.gamedev.place

          @benpate oh hey look its Peak being Added to Mastodon 😄

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          #19

          @RetroHax I'm not familiar with Peak, but yeah, there are a ton of encrypted messengers out there. I'm also on Signal and Matrix, each for different purposes.

          The good news about this is that it brings this feature to the network we're already using. No change in behavior.. one day, your messages just become a little more private.

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          • benpate@mastodon.socialB benpate@mastodon.social

            @RetroHax I'm not familiar with Peak, but yeah, there are a ton of encrypted messengers out there. I'm also on Signal and Matrix, each for different purposes.

            The good news about this is that it brings this feature to the network we're already using. No change in behavior.. one day, your messages just become a little more private.

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            #20

            @benpate XD I meant it more so as a Word of Describing STuff and not the Video Game 😛
            Like using Peak as another Word for saying "Cool Feature" or so 😛

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            • benpate@mastodon.socialB benpate@mastodon.social

              Have you seen this news?

              #Mastodon just got funding to add end to end encryption into their software.

              So, some time next year, you’ll be able to send truly private messages to the vast majority of the #Fediverse

              Im so excited about this.

              Because it’s an open spec, this opens the doors for every Fediverse app to join the party.

              Yesterday, this project was a proof of concept. Today, Mastodon has turned it into a stampede.

              #E2EE

              https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2026/04/sovereign-tech-agency-funding/

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              #21

              Whenever they write the Wikipedia article about E2EE, I just want a footnote in there...

              #Mastodon was the artillery, the big guns that made the difference. #Bonfire and #Emissary were the special forces recon teams that made it possible.

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              • retrohax@mastodon.gamedev.placeR retrohax@mastodon.gamedev.place

                @benpate XD I meant it more so as a Word of Describing STuff and not the Video Game 😛
                Like using Peak as another Word for saying "Cool Feature" or so 😛

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                #22

                @RetroHax

                Well that explains why my google searches looked so weird.

                Yes, I'm old. You kids with your funny words... 😅

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                • benpate@mastodon.socialB benpate@mastodon.social

                  Whenever they write the Wikipedia article about E2EE, I just want a footnote in there...

                  #Mastodon was the artillery, the big guns that made the difference. #Bonfire and #Emissary were the special forces recon teams that made it possible.

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                  #23

                  @benpate e2ee on fedi?

                  Uh.

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                  • jens@social.finkhaeuser.deJ jens@social.finkhaeuser.de

                    @benpate e2ee on fedi?

                    Uh.

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                    #24

                    @jens

                    Yes. We're launching in June. Mastodon is building in 2027.

                    It's a whole new Fedi.

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                    • benpate@mastodon.socialB benpate@mastodon.social

                      @jens

                      Yes. We're launching in June. Mastodon is building in 2027.

                      It's a whole new Fedi.

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                      #25

                      @benpate Specs?

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                      • benpate@mastodon.socialB benpate@mastodon.social

                        Have you seen this news?

                        #Mastodon just got funding to add end to end encryption into their software.

                        So, some time next year, you’ll be able to send truly private messages to the vast majority of the #Fediverse

                        Im so excited about this.

                        Because it’s an open spec, this opens the doors for every Fediverse app to join the party.

                        Yesterday, this project was a proof of concept. Today, Mastodon has turned it into a stampede.

                        #E2EE

                        https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2026/04/sovereign-tech-agency-funding/

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                        #26

                        @benpate that's great news! 😃

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                        • jens@social.finkhaeuser.deJ jens@social.finkhaeuser.de

                          @benpate Specs?

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                          #27

                          @jens

                          The primary spec for ActivityPub is here: https://swicg.github.io/activitypub-e2ee/mls

                          I have a project overview here: https://emissary.dev/e2ee <- this also includes links to the MLS protocol and other implementation resources.

                          My overview page WAS up to date, but I haven't posted much recently. But I *swear* I'm still making progress.

                          I'll show off a little of my work at #FediForum - and I'm sure we'll have larger conversations there about #E2EE in general.

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                          • benpate@mastodon.socialB benpate@mastodon.social

                            @jens

                            The primary spec for ActivityPub is here: https://swicg.github.io/activitypub-e2ee/mls

                            I have a project overview here: https://emissary.dev/e2ee <- this also includes links to the MLS protocol and other implementation resources.

                            My overview page WAS up to date, but I haven't posted much recently. But I *swear* I'm still making progress.

                            I'll show off a little of my work at #FediForum - and I'm sure we'll have larger conversations there about #E2EE in general.

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                            #28

                            @benpate MLS, OK. Fair enough.

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                            • jens@social.finkhaeuser.deJ jens@social.finkhaeuser.de

                              @benpate MLS, OK. Fair enough.

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                              #29

                              @jens Yeah, the MLS protocol is pretty solid. It's built/supported by a number of big industry groups who know what they're doing.

                              And, I'm not writing the encryption myself. I'm building on top of the *fabulous* ts-mls library by Luka Jacobowitz. He's been super-supportive and even helped me troubleshoot a few things.

                              I'm pretty sure Bonfire is using OpenMLS, which is equally awesome.

                              When Mastodon starts working in 2027, a lot of the groundwork will have been laid already.

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                              • benpate@mastodon.socialB benpate@mastodon.social

                                @jens Yeah, the MLS protocol is pretty solid. It's built/supported by a number of big industry groups who know what they're doing.

                                And, I'm not writing the encryption myself. I'm building on top of the *fabulous* ts-mls library by Luka Jacobowitz. He's been super-supportive and even helped me troubleshoot a few things.

                                I'm pretty sure Bonfire is using OpenMLS, which is equally awesome.

                                When Mastodon starts working in 2027, a lot of the groundwork will have been laid already.

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                                #30

                                @benpate MLS is a step in the right direction, for sure.

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                                • benpate@mastodon.socialB benpate@mastodon.social

                                  @jens

                                  The primary spec for ActivityPub is here: https://swicg.github.io/activitypub-e2ee/mls

                                  I have a project overview here: https://emissary.dev/e2ee <- this also includes links to the MLS protocol and other implementation resources.

                                  My overview page WAS up to date, but I haven't posted much recently. But I *swear* I'm still making progress.

                                  I'll show off a little of my work at #FediForum - and I'm sure we'll have larger conversations there about #E2EE in general.

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                                  #31

                                  @jens

                                  Here's a screenshot from my laptop this morning. It's a pretty good view of where I am on this project right now with #Emissary. "Please ignore my silly cats"

                                  I've seen Bonfire's work, and they're even further along.

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                                  • benpate@mastodon.socialB benpate@mastodon.social

                                    Have you seen this news?

                                    #Mastodon just got funding to add end to end encryption into their software.

                                    So, some time next year, you’ll be able to send truly private messages to the vast majority of the #Fediverse

                                    Im so excited about this.

                                    Because it’s an open spec, this opens the doors for every Fediverse app to join the party.

                                    Yesterday, this project was a proof of concept. Today, Mastodon has turned it into a stampede.

                                    #E2EE

                                    https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2026/04/sovereign-tech-agency-funding/

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                                    #32

                                    @benpate @mattblaze You may be interested in this.

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                                    • benpate@mastodon.socialB benpate@mastodon.social

                                      @jens

                                      Here's a screenshot from my laptop this morning. It's a pretty good view of where I am on this project right now with #Emissary. "Please ignore my silly cats"

                                      I've seen Bonfire's work, and they're even further along.

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                                      #33

                                      @benpate Scanned the specs.

                                      Yeah, that's about how I'd have done it in AP. But the result is like encrypted email, metadata is still public.

                                      That's more or less why I stopped looking at AP as a viable transport. But if you need to stay within it, then yes, looks reasonable.

                                      I haven't looked in a lot of detail, obviously.

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                                      • jens@social.finkhaeuser.deJ jens@social.finkhaeuser.de

                                        @benpate Scanned the specs.

                                        Yeah, that's about how I'd have done it in AP. But the result is like encrypted email, metadata is still public.

                                        That's more or less why I stopped looking at AP as a viable transport. But if you need to stay within it, then yes, looks reasonable.

                                        I haven't looked in a lot of detail, obviously.

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                                        #34

                                        @jens

                                        Yes.

                                        My understanding of MLS is that there is a fair amount of metadata that's public in general. So, group ids, and members of each group are more or less in plaintext, regardless of the transport.

                                        So, it's not *perfect* but it's better than just sending everything in plaintext.

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                                        • benpate@mastodon.socialB benpate@mastodon.social

                                          Have you seen this news?

                                          #Mastodon just got funding to add end to end encryption into their software.

                                          So, some time next year, you’ll be able to send truly private messages to the vast majority of the #Fediverse

                                          Im so excited about this.

                                          Because it’s an open spec, this opens the doors for every Fediverse app to join the party.

                                          Yesterday, this project was a proof of concept. Today, Mastodon has turned it into a stampede.

                                          #E2EE

                                          https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2026/04/sovereign-tech-agency-funding/

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                                          #35

                                          @benpate

                                          since it is being funded by the German government, will it have backdoors for specific German priorities?

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