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  3. Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate.

Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate.

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  • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

    Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate. When I finally handed the woman there my forms, she promptly stamped them and said "you need to take these to Window 2", pointing around the corner. So I walked around the corner...

    ...where *the same woman* swiveled her chair around and proceeded to check the stamp that she had just applied.

    I would have been annoyed if I wasn't in so much awe at discovering the purest form of bureaucracy.

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    #55

    @dan

    Literally they named the language (in English) after the process.

    Mandarin is such an art it gets a language.

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    • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

      Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate. When I finally handed the woman there my forms, she promptly stamped them and said "you need to take these to Window 2", pointing around the corner. So I walked around the corner...

      ...where *the same woman* swiveled her chair around and proceeded to check the stamp that she had just applied.

      I would have been annoyed if I wasn't in so much awe at discovering the purest form of bureaucracy.

      agturcz@circumstances.runA This user is from outside of this forum
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      #56

      @dan Just two windows? Try to enter/leave Turkmenistan when traveling on a motorcycle. And that with your visa already granted.

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      • lolcat@digipres.clubL lolcat@digipres.club

        @dan

        Back in the 1980s, some Italian cafes employed a similar system. As a customer, you'd place your order at one window, and the clerk would give you a receipt/voucher. You'd then step to a second window, and hand over the slip of paper before stepping to a third window where you'd collect your coffee. I recall, though these are hazy old memories, at least one morning where it was the same person at each of the three windows.

        Also, I once did the same PRC consulate dance in SF!

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        #57

        @lolcat
        I too would stick to getting the customer to do all three windows. Some certainly have it as routine and I would not wish to upset them.
        @dan

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        • annehargreaves@ioc.exchangeA annehargreaves@ioc.exchange

          @dan This reminds me of the Twelve Tasks of Asterix. One scene was pretty much this.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twelve_Tasks_of_Asterix

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          #58

          @annehargreaves @dan And here I was thinking that was an exaggeration.

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          • huntingdon@mstdn.socialH huntingdon@mstdn.social

            @dan

            The Brits take the greatest pride in their bureaucracy -- though the French, Russians, and Byzantine Greeks were tough competitors -- but the Chinese invented it.

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            failedlyndonlarouchite@mas.to
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            #59

            @huntingdon @dan The Babylonians and Egyptians dispute who invented Bureacracy

            you should have seen the forms required, during construction of the great Pyramid of Cheops, if a stone was delivered to the site and the stone was not in spec

            page after page of papyrus

            🙂

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            • lolcat@digipres.clubL lolcat@digipres.club

              @dan

              Back in the 1980s, some Italian cafes employed a similar system. As a customer, you'd place your order at one window, and the clerk would give you a receipt/voucher. You'd then step to a second window, and hand over the slip of paper before stepping to a third window where you'd collect your coffee. I recall, though these are hazy old memories, at least one morning where it was the same person at each of the three windows.

              Also, I once did the same PRC consulate dance in SF!

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              failedlyndonlarouchite@mas.to
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              #60

              @lolcat @dan

              I went to Italy as a teenager in 1978 and I have zero memory of this

              all I recall is that Italian coffee is the best coffee

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              • kstatz12@discuss.systemsK kstatz12@discuss.systems

                @dan @ricci @steve @sharon at least it wasn't the Stanford band recreating the Irish Potato Famine on the field at Notre Dame.

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                #61

                @kstatz12 @dan @ricci @sharon the Brown band depicted a coat-hangar abortion in the halftime show at Holy Cross (still banned from campus 40 years later, I think) 😬.

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                • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

                  Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate. When I finally handed the woman there my forms, she promptly stamped them and said "you need to take these to Window 2", pointing around the corner. So I walked around the corner...

                  ...where *the same woman* swiveled her chair around and proceeded to check the stamp that she had just applied.

                  I would have been annoyed if I wasn't in so much awe at discovering the purest form of bureaucracy.

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                  #62

                  @dan this is exactly how hyperthreading in CPUs work

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                  • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

                    Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate. When I finally handed the woman there my forms, she promptly stamped them and said "you need to take these to Window 2", pointing around the corner. So I walked around the corner...

                    ...where *the same woman* swiveled her chair around and proceeded to check the stamp that she had just applied.

                    I would have been annoyed if I wasn't in so much awe at discovering the purest form of bureaucracy.

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                    #63

                    @dan

                    I’d love her to watch Terry Gilliams Brazil… She’d probably assume it was a documentary…

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                    • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

                      Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate. When I finally handed the woman there my forms, she promptly stamped them and said "you need to take these to Window 2", pointing around the corner. So I walked around the corner...

                      ...where *the same woman* swiveled her chair around and proceeded to check the stamp that she had just applied.

                      I would have been annoyed if I wasn't in so much awe at discovering the purest form of bureaucracy.

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                      #64

                      @dan I've written up notes for a D&D campaign in a surreal city, and one of the locations is a pair of buildings named the Tenements of Faith and the Tenements of State.

                      The one is inhabited by bickering priests of innumerable minor gods, the other by low-level bureaucrats.

                      I'll be stealing this for the latter.

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                      • peter_b@im-in.spaceP peter_b@im-in.space

                        @dan I've written up notes for a D&D campaign in a surreal city, and one of the locations is a pair of buildings named the Tenements of Faith and the Tenements of State.

                        The one is inhabited by bickering priests of innumerable minor gods, the other by low-level bureaucrats.

                        I'll be stealing this for the latter.

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                        #65

                        @peter_b @dan "The Twelve Tasks of Astérix" is maybe not a very good Astérix book or movie, but the rendition of bureaucratic hell is top-notch.

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                        • steve@discuss.systemsS steve@discuss.systems

                          @kstatz12 @dan @ricci @sharon the Brown band depicted a coat-hangar abortion in the halftime show at Holy Cross (still banned from campus 40 years later, I think) 😬.

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                          #66

                          @steve @kstatz12 @dan @ricci @sharon
                          Nice

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                          • adriano@lile.clA adriano@lile.cl

                            @peter_b @dan "The Twelve Tasks of Astérix" is maybe not a very good Astérix book or movie, but the rendition of bureaucratic hell is top-notch.

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                            #67

                            @adriano @dan That was the original inspiration! 😄

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                            • peter_b@im-in.spaceP peter_b@im-in.space

                              @adriano @dan That was the original inspiration! 😄

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                              #68

                              @peter_b @dan When I was in college I had to obtain some papers and I did have to do a round of about five or so desks and queues only to end up at the first one.

                              The person there got snippy at me for being annoyed, to which I replied that if I'd had to circle four queues to end up at the beginning maybe I wasn't the one in the wrong.

                              I think. It's been a few decades. But we can do this in Argentina, too. We have the technology.

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                              • steve@discuss.systemsS steve@discuss.systems

                                @kstatz12 @dan @ricci @sharon the Brown band depicted a coat-hangar abortion in the halftime show at Holy Cross (still banned from campus 40 years later, I think) 😬.

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                                #69

                                @steve @dan @ricci @sharon is there like a group of outlaw band directors like 1% bikers. do they have the diamond patch on their uniforms?

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                                • kstatz12@discuss.systemsK kstatz12@discuss.systems

                                  @steve @dan @ricci @sharon is there like a group of outlaw band directors like 1% bikers. do they have the diamond patch on their uniforms?

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                                  #70

                                  @kstatz12 @dan @ricci @sharon common thread of most of these bands (Stanford and most of the Ivies [ex-Cornell], plus some others) is that they don't have directors, they're purely student run (usually with a faculty advisor).

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                                  • steve@discuss.systemsS steve@discuss.systems

                                    @kstatz12 @dan @ricci @sharon common thread of most of these bands (Stanford and most of the Ivies [ex-Cornell], plus some others) is that they don't have directors, they're purely student run (usually with a faculty advisor).

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                                    #71

                                    @steve @dan @ricci @sharon as someone who was nearly tricked into being a faculty advisor (for the school quidditch team) that has a strong possibility of ending in chaos

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                                    • kstatz12@discuss.systemsK kstatz12@discuss.systems

                                      @steve @dan @ricci @sharon as someone who was nearly tricked into being a faculty advisor (for the school quidditch team) that has a strong possibility of ending in chaos

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                                      #72

                                      @kstatz12 @dan @ricci @sharon Other hit episodes include "The Princeton Band visits The Citadel (2008)" and "The Brown Band may or may not still be banned from West Point, it was like 1985 and I don't think it's come up again."

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                                      • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

                                        Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate. When I finally handed the woman there my forms, she promptly stamped them and said "you need to take these to Window 2", pointing around the corner. So I walked around the corner...

                                        ...where *the same woman* swiveled her chair around and proceeded to check the stamp that she had just applied.

                                        I would have been annoyed if I wasn't in so much awe at discovering the purest form of bureaucracy.

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                                        #73

                                        @dan sounds like a pink panther movie.

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                                        • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

                                          Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate. When I finally handed the woman there my forms, she promptly stamped them and said "you need to take these to Window 2", pointing around the corner. So I walked around the corner...

                                          ...where *the same woman* swiveled her chair around and proceeded to check the stamp that she had just applied.

                                          I would have been annoyed if I wasn't in so much awe at discovering the purest form of bureaucracy.

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                                          #74

                                          @dan
                                          this is impressive. but. both of your checks were on the same day in the same building. this would be an efficient day of progress on any application, review, or question regarding disability or welfare benefits.

                                          like this is douglas adams and welfare/disability is kafka

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