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  3. I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.

I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.

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  • phaedral@beige.partyP phaedral@beige.party

    @benroyce @QasimRashid ...to kick the fucking gop to the curb. When you've accomplished that get back to me about "centrists." But first, clobber the nazis, eh?

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    #16

    @phaedral @QasimRashid

    zero argument

    simple tactics: hold the line so we can fight another day

    against that we have idiots who think a vote is a devotional love letter of eternal purity. which is fucking immature and stupid. but that's how they are, so they don't vote, so we don't hold the line, so now our struggle is harder

    it's just fucking tactics!

    the deeper issue:

    we take over the democrats with real leftists in the primaries

    two different struggles

    complementary, not contradictory

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    • contrasocial@mastodon.socialC contrasocial@mastodon.social

      @QasimRashid

      Voters need to understand it more so than leadership. Voters need to understand that there are some progressive wins this cycle so far, but "voting blue no matter who" isn't enough any more. A bunxh of Newsoms or Buttigiegs aren't going to save our country.

      If we want to avoid returning to normal it means continuing to push even if there is a blue wave. It means rooting out every corporate democrat and replacing them with an actual leftist.

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      #17

      @contrasocial @QasimRashid

      👏 👏 👏

      well said

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      • qasimrashid@mastodon.socialQ qasimrashid@mastodon.social

        I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.

        That "normal" pre-Trump is what led to Trump. Don't believe me? Two terms under Obama led us to Trump. Then we rallied and elected Biden in 2020 and got him a trifecta government. Biden stuck to "norms," and it led us right back to Trump in 2024.

        If you're not ready to disrupt the entire system that keeps electing Trump, you need to be voted out as well.

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        #18

        @QasimRashid ☝️This!!!

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        • qasimrashid@mastodon.socialQ qasimrashid@mastodon.social

          I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.

          That "normal" pre-Trump is what led to Trump. Don't believe me? Two terms under Obama led us to Trump. Then we rallied and elected Biden in 2020 and got him a trifecta government. Biden stuck to "norms," and it led us right back to Trump in 2024.

          If you're not ready to disrupt the entire system that keeps electing Trump, you need to be voted out as well.

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          #19

          @QasimRashid

          "Normal" should have been public flagellation of the January 6th terrorists and throwing in jail the adjudicated rapist, traitor and fraudster, agent Krasnov.

          Followed by the voting out all the "Democrats" who voted for confimation of the extremists High court kangaroo court judges and repugnican departmental officials.

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          • qasimrashid@mastodon.socialQ qasimrashid@mastodon.social

            I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.

            That "normal" pre-Trump is what led to Trump. Don't believe me? Two terms under Obama led us to Trump. Then we rallied and elected Biden in 2020 and got him a trifecta government. Biden stuck to "norms," and it led us right back to Trump in 2024.

            If you're not ready to disrupt the entire system that keeps electing Trump, you need to be voted out as well.

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            #20

            @QasimRashid

            Oligarchs own America

            David Sacks
            https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/david-sacks-trump-ai-executive-order-6019242d

            Wars of aggression & regime change that profits the GOP & its oligarchs, foreign & domestic
            Paul Singer, Ron Lauder, Betancourt, Citrone, & Addison
            https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/venezuelan-billionaire-us-investigated-money-laundering-now-has-pentagon-oil-2026-09-05/

            https://www.commondreams.org/news/venezuela-oil-sale-trump-donor

            https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/08/world/europe/trump-lauder-ukraine-lithium.html

            https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/9/1/who-is-alejandro-betancourt-ex-chavez-ally-now-trumps-venezuela-oil-man

            https://theconversation.com/before-venezuelas-oil-there-were-guatemalas-bananas-272973

            https://inkstickmedia.com/the-same-old-pattern-that-led-up-to-trumps-iran-war/

            https://www.thecollector.com/the-banana-wars-how-the-us-plundered-central-america/

            https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/donald-trump-republican-party/trump-history/

            https://www.commondreams.org/news/paul-singer-venezuela

            https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/15/ronald-lauder-billionaire-donor-donald-trump-ukraine-greenland

            https://theconversation.com/the-trump-revolution-where-it-came-from-and-where-its-going-246271

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            • qasimrashid@mastodon.socialQ qasimrashid@mastodon.social

              I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.

              That "normal" pre-Trump is what led to Trump. Don't believe me? Two terms under Obama led us to Trump. Then we rallied and elected Biden in 2020 and got him a trifecta government. Biden stuck to "norms," and it led us right back to Trump in 2024.

              If you're not ready to disrupt the entire system that keeps electing Trump, you need to be voted out as well.

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              #21

              @QasimRashid I kinda just accepted that we're on an unstoppable downward slope.
              Don't get me wrong it's not gonna stop me personally from pushing for better as I think even the effort is valuable in itself.

              It's not a matter of whether you feel discouraged or not, if you stop pushing for better because you think it won't happen things will truly never change.
              That's how you get a majority of US citizens voting for nothing.

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              • qasimrashid@mastodon.socialQ qasimrashid@mastodon.social

                I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.

                That "normal" pre-Trump is what led to Trump. Don't believe me? Two terms under Obama led us to Trump. Then we rallied and elected Biden in 2020 and got him a trifecta government. Biden stuck to "norms," and it led us right back to Trump in 2024.

                If you're not ready to disrupt the entire system that keeps electing Trump, you need to be voted out as well.

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                #22

                @QasimRashid

                Even this is just a start. Billionaires and gigantic corporations have to pay for the role they played making America this way. It was their deliberate plan to do this and they’ve spent hundreds of millions of dollars every year for a half century. And now we have a second contingent with even more money from Silicon Valley, who are even more genocidal than oil money.

                Their wealth and their corporate size that makes them possible must be completely dismantled.

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                • phaedral@beige.partyP phaedral@beige.party

                  @benroyce @QasimRashid ...to kick the fucking gop to the curb. When you've accomplished that get back to me about "centrists." But first, clobber the nazis, eh?

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                  #23

                  @phaedral @benroyce @QasimRashid Problem is the Dems in question are working with Donald and Republicans more than what the base wants them to do hence vichycrats. Johnson and Jeffries had basically the same bosses in the 2024 campaign cycle. Check out their opensecrets profiles "Top Organization and Industry Donors." And don't try to say I'm not dedicated enough I vote Democratic party every election and I also volunteer and donate.
                  https://www.opensecrets.org/profiles/mike-johnson/us_congress/summary?mpid=1055439&cycle=2024&display=candidate
                  https://www.opensecrets.org/profiles/hakeem-jeffries/us_congress/summary?mpid=1050304&cycle=2024&display=candidate

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                  • qasimrashid@mastodon.socialQ qasimrashid@mastodon.social

                    I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.

                    That "normal" pre-Trump is what led to Trump. Don't believe me? Two terms under Obama led us to Trump. Then we rallied and elected Biden in 2020 and got him a trifecta government. Biden stuck to "norms," and it led us right back to Trump in 2024.

                    If you're not ready to disrupt the entire system that keeps electing Trump, you need to be voted out as well.

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                    #24

                    @QasimRashid Horrifying thing is, it’s not that they don’t understand. They’re willing to do it again, ideologically & b/c they refuse to relinquish $100Maire/billionaire support. In fact they’ll blame voters again & double down… even if it means falling to fascism permanently & the literal end of the world.

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                    • andrew773@mastodon.onlineA andrew773@mastodon.online

                      @phaedral @benroyce @QasimRashid Problem is the Dems in question are working with Donald and Republicans more than what the base wants them to do hence vichycrats. Johnson and Jeffries had basically the same bosses in the 2024 campaign cycle. Check out their opensecrets profiles "Top Organization and Industry Donors." And don't try to say I'm not dedicated enough I vote Democratic party every election and I also volunteer and donate.
                      https://www.opensecrets.org/profiles/mike-johnson/us_congress/summary?mpid=1055439&cycle=2024&display=candidate
                      https://www.opensecrets.org/profiles/hakeem-jeffries/us_congress/summary?mpid=1050304&cycle=2024&display=candidate

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                      #25

                      @andrew773 @phaedral @QasimRashid

                      none of this is news to anyone

                      centrist dems fucking suck

                      the point is to use our antipathy to show up in the primaries and replace them. primary turn out is so poor. but that's where we get 50 mamdanis across the usa

                      so where are these people sick of the schumers and the jeffries in the primaries?

                      many decide to just not vote at all

                      which only serves to hand MAGA fascism wins

                      unfathomably stupid and self-defeating

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                      • simplicator@federate.socialS simplicator@federate.social

                        @QasimRashid Horrifying thing is, it’s not that they don’t understand. They’re willing to do it again, ideologically & b/c they refuse to relinquish $100Maire/billionaire support. In fact they’ll blame voters again & double down… even if it means falling to fascism permanently & the literal end of the world.

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                        #26

                        @QasimRashid Election-wise ofc we have to vote for them in the general b/c of the spoiler effect. That battle is won or lost in the primary.. & due to the structure of the American constitution, dominance of capitalism, etc. But ofc it takes acting politically beyond that

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                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                          @andrew773 @phaedral @QasimRashid

                          none of this is news to anyone

                          centrist dems fucking suck

                          the point is to use our antipathy to show up in the primaries and replace them. primary turn out is so poor. but that's where we get 50 mamdanis across the usa

                          so where are these people sick of the schumers and the jeffries in the primaries?

                          many decide to just not vote at all

                          which only serves to hand MAGA fascism wins

                          unfathomably stupid and self-defeating

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                          #27

                          @benroyce @phaedral @QasimRashid I mean this year in multiple states Senate primary including mine have mentioned they will not support Schumer so hopefully we're working on it. My congressional district was denied a Democratic primary and the system was also abused to prevent Democrats from running independently.

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                          • qasimrashid@mastodon.socialQ qasimrashid@mastodon.social

                            I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.

                            That "normal" pre-Trump is what led to Trump. Don't believe me? Two terms under Obama led us to Trump. Then we rallied and elected Biden in 2020 and got him a trifecta government. Biden stuck to "norms," and it led us right back to Trump in 2024.

                            If you're not ready to disrupt the entire system that keeps electing Trump, you need to be voted out as well.

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                            #28

                            @QasimRashid In this election if you’re a Democrat & you have the best chance of winning in the General, I’m going to vote for you. I don’t care who you are. Period the motherfucking end. Once the primary is over, I do not give two shits. You are getting my vote and that includes motherfuckers who stir up
                            trouble 2 months before an election under the guise of purity bullshit. Trump didn’t happen because of the Dems. Trump happened because we didn’t vote enough Dems in PERIOD.

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                            • pineywoozle@masto.aiP pineywoozle@masto.ai

                              @QasimRashid In this election if you’re a Democrat & you have the best chance of winning in the General, I’m going to vote for you. I don’t care who you are. Period the motherfucking end. Once the primary is over, I do not give two shits. You are getting my vote and that includes motherfuckers who stir up
                              trouble 2 months before an election under the guise of purity bullshit. Trump didn’t happen because of the Dems. Trump happened because we didn’t vote enough Dems in PERIOD.

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                              #29

                              @Pineywoozle @QasimRashid

                              💯 The worst centrist Dem is infinitely better than any GOP candidate. Vote.

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                              • andrew773@mastodon.onlineA andrew773@mastodon.online

                                @benroyce @phaedral @QasimRashid I mean this year in multiple states Senate primary including mine have mentioned they will not support Schumer so hopefully we're working on it. My congressional district was denied a Democratic primary and the system was also abused to prevent Democrats from running independently.

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                                #30

                                @andrew773 @phaedral @QasimRashid

                                that's wrong

                                but like you said:

                                "mine have mentioned they will not support Schumer"

                                and how was that arrived at?

                                it wasn't arrived at through those who don't vote

                                and empty "dems suck" comments result in that

                                dems *do* suck

                                so we *fix* that

                                in the primaries

                                we don't just throw up our hands and let MAGA take over. that's insane

                                and i'm not accusing you of that, but you have to accentuate the way forward, not just issue complaints

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                                • phaedral@beige.partyP phaedral@beige.party

                                  @QasimRashid If you are more concerned with bashing dems than punching nazis you aren't helping.

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                                  #31

                                  @phaedral @QasimRashid many dems went on fox news to, attack the progressives and Hassan piker. You looks like a political cultist

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                                  • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

                                    @Pineywoozle @QasimRashid

                                    💯 The worst centrist Dem is infinitely better than any GOP candidate. Vote.

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                                    @mastodonmigration @QasimRashid Yep, and the purity BS is already starting. We need to point it out for the dangerous stupidity it is loud and often. If the people who didn’t find HC or KH pure enough had gotten off their privlaged high horse and just voted Dem we wouldn’t have had tRump a single time let alone two. All the deaths under tRump are as much on their heads as they are the republicans & tRump.

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                                    • pineywoozle@masto.aiP pineywoozle@masto.ai

                                      @QasimRashid In this election if you’re a Democrat & you have the best chance of winning in the General, I’m going to vote for you. I don’t care who you are. Period the motherfucking end. Once the primary is over, I do not give two shits. You are getting my vote and that includes motherfuckers who stir up
                                      trouble 2 months before an election under the guise of purity bullshit. Trump didn’t happen because of the Dems. Trump happened because we didn’t vote enough Dems in PERIOD.

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                                      #33

                                      @Pineywoozle @QasimRashid Trump happened because of the two party system and the lesser of two evil bs. Enjoy another Trump in 1 or 2 next elections. It is time for your evil shitty empire to collapse

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                                      • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

                                        @Pineywoozle @QasimRashid

                                        💯 The worst centrist Dem is infinitely better than any GOP candidate. Vote.

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                                        #34

                                        @mastodonmigration
                                        @Pineywoozle @QasimRashid

                                        for real, people who dont live in gop-majority states cant fathom what its like to have their rights constantly being taken away 😕

                                        often times, its the democrats who providing the only protection for minorities and marginalized communities

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                                        • hiphopheaven@mastodon.socialH hiphopheaven@mastodon.social

                                          @Pineywoozle @QasimRashid Trump happened because of the two party system and the lesser of two evil bs. Enjoy another Trump in 1 or 2 next elections. It is time for your evil shitty empire to collapse

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                                          #35

                                          @hiphopheaven @QasimRashid Nope, tRump happened because of lazy non voters, purity BS non voters and racist easily lied to MAGA. We can solve two of those 3. Enjoy your block. Voting in enough Dems to consistently have power is the only thing that’s going to save America so we can work to make it what it can be.#VOTE out #tRump

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