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  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

    Dear Fedi friends,

    I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

    Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

    Do you have any recommendations?

    So far, at the top of my list I have:

    @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

    plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

    Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

    sknob@mamot.frS This user is from outside of this forum
    sknob@mamot.frS This user is from outside of this forum
    sknob@mamot.fr
    wrote sidst redigeret af
    #101

    @_elena in French, there’s the formidable @flomaraninchi !

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    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

      @DataKnightmare thanks! putting you both on my list 🙏

      P.S.: your SUPERB podcast is really my favorite these days... I wish everyone spoke Italian so they could enjoy it 🥲

      @davidgerard

      dataknightmare@mastodon.xyzD This user is from outside of this forum
      dataknightmare@mastodon.xyzD This user is from outside of this forum
      dataknightmare@mastodon.xyz
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #102

      @_elena

      too kind! I did start an English version years ago, when the Big Thing was still techbros being techbros, but I had to suspend after just a few episodes, the production effort is not manageable. I keep wanting to return to it, though, in one form or another (mabe just publish the English script), especially when I touch a topic that is passing unnoticed.

      Wait, I'm forgetting! I could *use AI* and have automated translations in 5 billion languages!
      Or, like, not.

      @davidgerard

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      • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

        Dear Fedi friends,

        I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

        Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

        Do you have any recommendations?

        So far, at the top of my list I have:

        @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

        plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

        Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

        esplovago@mastodon.unoE This user is from outside of this forum
        esplovago@mastodon.unoE This user is from outside of this forum
        esplovago@mastodon.uno
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #103

        @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante from your list @danmcquillan is missing 🙂

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        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

          @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @jaredwhite @tante I would clarify also that I am not quite #NoAI in terms of AI tech, but I am definitely opposed to the *AI industry* and this hype wave. There may be various useful things from this tech, but the net version of things with it being forced upon society right now in this hype wave is that everything is getting much worse, and sickeningly so.

          Several more pieces need to be added to the puzzle to make "AI" tech more useful, and I'm also simply opposed to a direction in society that dismisses and devalues creative endeavors, which a lot of this hype is putting at the center of itself. Creativity is what makes life largely worthwhile. I'm not willing to give that up.

          I have no problem with OpenImageDenoiser in Blender, which speeds up renders through machine learning, and in no way devalues creativity. But something which made it so I just typed a few words into Blender and it did all my artwork for me, I would oppose.

          poleguy@mastodon.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
          poleguy@mastodon.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
          poleguy@mastodon.social
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #104

          @cwebber @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @jaredwhite @tante

          I have been appreciating your well considered takes!

          I hate the AI hype. The bubble is bad. The effects on creative work and the environment is depressing.

          But I am not looking for strict #NoAI content, but well reasoned and researched critical content. As an Electrical Engineer my interest is in understanding the state of the art. I can't learn this from those who refuse to look behind the veil.

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          • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

            Dear Fedi friends,

            I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

            Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

            Do you have any recommendations?

            So far, at the top of my list I have:

            @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

            plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

            Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

            wtebbens@social.coopW This user is from outside of this forum
            wtebbens@social.coopW This user is from outside of this forum
            wtebbens@social.coop
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #105

            @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante Add Aurora @tunubesecamirio - she is an amazing activist and public speaker with profound crutucism on AI for ecosocial reasons.

            The name of their activist project, Tu Nube Seca Mi Rio, is so wellchosen, so visual for the damage these hyperscalers are making. Worth checking a translator for, careful with the LLMs though 😉

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            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

              Dear Fedi friends,

              I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

              Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

              Do you have any recommendations?

              So far, at the top of my list I have:

              @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

              plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

              Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

              heuveltop@social.vivaldi.netH This user is from outside of this forum
              heuveltop@social.vivaldi.netH This user is from outside of this forum
              heuveltop@social.vivaldi.net
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #106

              @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante

              I would like to mention @Felienne to you.

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              • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                Dear Fedi friends,

                I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

                Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

                Do you have any recommendations?

                So far, at the top of my list I have:

                @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

                plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

                Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

                astrohyde@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
                astrohyde@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
                astrohyde@mastodon.social
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #107

                @_elena I think everyone I follow is #NoAI lol, I went from teaching data sci and physics to teaching how to circumvent/remove #LLMs in data sci and physics... it's tough for the kids trying to learn through this slop 🙃 One thing I think helps a bit is to specify when dragging #LLM_AI vs #DecisionTree_AI #NeuralNet_AI or #Statistical_AI etc. Alot of phys/ data sci here uses #AI as a catchall for all of #datascience including #MachineLearning so it can get confusing (is likely meant to be lol).

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                • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                  Dear Fedi friends,

                  I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

                  Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

                  Do you have any recommendations?

                  So far, at the top of my list I have:

                  @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

                  plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

                  Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

                  darby3@zirk.usD This user is from outside of this forum
                  darby3@zirk.usD This user is from outside of this forum
                  darby3@zirk.us
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #108

                  @_elena doing what i can

                  https://ai-sucks-actually.fyi/

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                  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                    Dear Fedi friends,

                    I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

                    Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

                    Do you have any recommendations?

                    So far, at the top of my list I have:

                    @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

                    plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

                    Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

                    rowmyboat@glammr.usR This user is from outside of this forum
                    rowmyboat@glammr.usR This user is from outside of this forum
                    rowmyboat@glammr.us
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #109

                    @_elena I do, in a very my corner of the world, which is academic libraries, kind of way. Snark, mostly, but also the occasional academic journal article or presentation.

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                    • rosareven@gamerstavern.onlineR This user is from outside of this forum
                      rosareven@gamerstavern.onlineR This user is from outside of this forum
                      rosareven@gamerstavern.online
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #110

                      @onepict @_elena @WeirdWriter
                      omg i cri

                      thank you for sharing this, best read in ages

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                      • rosareven@gamerstavern.onlineR rosareven@gamerstavern.online

                        @onepict @_elena @WeirdWriter
                        omg i cri

                        thank you for sharing this, best read in ages

                        weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
                        weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
                        weirdwriter@caneandable.social
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #111

                        More to come! Here is an introduction by me, of sorts, but I'd also recommend reading, the Bookstore Hope. https://sightlessscribbles.com/about/ @rosareven @onepict @_elena

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                        • wtebbens@social.coopW wtebbens@social.coop

                          @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante Add Aurora @tunubesecamirio - she is an amazing activist and public speaker with profound crutucism on AI for ecosocial reasons.

                          The name of their activist project, Tu Nube Seca Mi Rio, is so wellchosen, so visual for the damage these hyperscalers are making. Worth checking a translator for, careful with the LLMs though 😉

                          tunubesecamirio@masto.esT This user is from outside of this forum
                          tunubesecamirio@masto.esT This user is from outside of this forum
                          tunubesecamirio@masto.es
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #112

                          @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante

                          Thanks for your words, @Wtebbens

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                          • romuald@piaille.frR romuald@piaille.fr

                            @_elena Pas immédiatement l’IA, mais sur la matérialité du numérique et des centres de données il y a @lenuageetaitsousnospieds et @tunubesecamirio . @Aepasek a publié une très bonne brochure sur comment résister aux datacenters, et sur la géopolitique du numérique je ne peux que conseiller le livre de @opheliecoelho ! @dataforgood fait du bon boulot également 👍

                            tunubesecamirio@masto.esT This user is from outside of this forum
                            tunubesecamirio@masto.esT This user is from outside of this forum
                            tunubesecamirio@masto.es
                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #113

                            @romuald @_elena @lenuageetaitsousnospieds @Aepasek @opheliecoelho @dataforgood

                            Merci Romuald!

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                            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                              Dear Fedi friends,

                              I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

                              Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

                              Do you have any recommendations?

                              So far, at the top of my list I have:

                              @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

                              plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

                              Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

                              grosser_mensch@norden.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
                              grosser_mensch@norden.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
                              grosser_mensch@norden.social
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #114

                              @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante He’s not in the Fediverse I think but I love his takes on all stories AI: https://pivot-to-ai.com/rss/

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                              • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                Dear Fedi friends,

                                I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

                                Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

                                Do you have any recommendations?

                                So far, at the top of my list I have:

                                @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

                                plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

                                Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

                                leoschuldiner23@linernotes.clubL This user is from outside of this forum
                                leoschuldiner23@linernotes.clubL This user is from outside of this forum
                                leoschuldiner23@linernotes.club
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #115

                                @_elena Over here! I'm migrating to @leoschuldiner23@beige.party so, be my guest 🙂 #NoAI (and as a musician, especially in music industry). Cheers from Chile!

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                                • astrohyde@mastodon.socialA astrohyde@mastodon.social

                                  @_elena I think everyone I follow is #NoAI lol, I went from teaching data sci and physics to teaching how to circumvent/remove #LLMs in data sci and physics... it's tough for the kids trying to learn through this slop 🙃 One thing I think helps a bit is to specify when dragging #LLM_AI vs #DecisionTree_AI #NeuralNet_AI or #Statistical_AI etc. Alot of phys/ data sci here uses #AI as a catchall for all of #datascience including #MachineLearning so it can get confusing (is likely meant to be lol).

                                  srvanderplas@datavis.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
                                  srvanderplas@datavis.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
                                  srvanderplas@datavis.social
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #116

                                  @AstroHyde @_elena the "is machine learning still AI" question is one that I keep running into. AI is just a terribly nonspecific term.

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                                  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                    Dear Fedi friends,

                                    I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

                                    Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

                                    Do you have any recommendations?

                                    So far, at the top of my list I have:

                                    @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

                                    plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

                                    Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

                                    em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE This user is from outside of this forum
                                    em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE This user is from outside of this forum
                                    em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange
                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #117

                                    @_elena @DAIR 🙋‍♀️ If that helps, I was quoted in this article calling AI the archenemesis of data privacy: https://arstechnica.com/security/2026/01/signal-creator-moxie-marlinspike-wants-to-do-for-ai-what-he-did-for-messaging/

                                    'Data privacy expert Em (she keeps her last name off the Internet) called AI assistants the “archnemesis” of data privacy because their utility relies on assembling massive amounts of data from myriad sources, including individuals.

                                    “AI models are inherent data collectors,” she told Ars. “They rely on large data collection for training, improvements, operations, and customizations. More often than not, this data is collected without clear and informed consent (from unknowing training subjects or from platform users), and is sent to and accessed by a private company with many incentives to share and monetize this data.”'

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                                    • justin@social.younger.wtfJ justin@social.younger.wtf

                                      @hikingdude @_elena smoking a cigarette feels good but it's still bad and we should talk about it being bad all the time and never say good things about it

                                      hikingdude@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      hikingdude@mastodon.social
                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #118

                                      @Justin @_elena
                                      We can agree to disagree.
                                      I can just say that I see a lot of good usecase at work that makes my life easier

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                                      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                        @_elena @DAIR 🙋‍♀️ If that helps, I was quoted in this article calling AI the archenemesis of data privacy: https://arstechnica.com/security/2026/01/signal-creator-moxie-marlinspike-wants-to-do-for-ai-what-he-did-for-messaging/

                                        'Data privacy expert Em (she keeps her last name off the Internet) called AI assistants the “archnemesis” of data privacy because their utility relies on assembling massive amounts of data from myriad sources, including individuals.

                                        “AI models are inherent data collectors,” she told Ars. “They rely on large data collection for training, improvements, operations, and customizations. More often than not, this data is collected without clear and informed consent (from unknowing training subjects or from platform users), and is sent to and accessed by a private company with many incentives to share and monetize this data.”'

                                        em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange
                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #119

                                        @_elena Here's another public statement I made: https://infosec.exchange/@Em0nM4stodon/116109826119332018

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                                        • hikingdude@mastodon.socialH hikingdude@mastodon.social

                                          @Justin @_elena
                                          We can agree to disagree.
                                          I can just say that I see a lot of good usecase at work that makes my life easier

                                          justin@social.younger.wtfJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          justin@social.younger.wtf
                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #120

                                          @hikingdude @_elena You don't need to spend any time defending the billion dollar industry that has a laundry list of horrible things attached to it, war, theft, scamming, even if its made it easier to do some small little thing for you.
                                          Hopefully at some point you see why its such a weird thing to go out of your way to post as a reply to her.

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