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Every time I decide to post a thread to Mastodon, I'm hit with a new wave of mansplaining.

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  • elasticsoul@mastodon.socialE elasticsoul@mastodon.social

    @emilymbender

    Speaking as someone who would like to help, it seems Mastodon has a hole here. I believe it was @mekkaokereke who pointed out that shitty people say shitty (racist) things in his replies, but people like me never see them because these trolls tag their replies as 'Only for my followers.'

    Many people would happily counter this sort of thing, but we never see it.

    Suggestions?

    @Gargron

    fullywoolly@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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    #13

    @elasticsoul Oh I've definitely been in threads where a conversation is happening and I can't see the other side. I wonder if that is why it was happening.

    I also hadn't even considered the harassment using it. It does make me sad people have to deal with it all the time though and a mute or block just doesn't cut it.

    For your suggestion, maybe a way to force all replies to a parent to be public only or auto block followers only in addition to DM.

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    • vonxylofon@witter.czV vonxylofon@witter.cz

      @emilymbender If you're being rhetorical, ignore the rest of this toot. If not, is it specific to Mastodon?

      My lady friends report being subject to it everywhere, and I have been caught mansplaining in person even though I try my best not to do that as a general rule, so it's maybe enough to have the dangly bits? IDK.

      Plus I'd bet none of them has 29k followers.

      emilymbender@dair-community.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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      #14

      @vonxylofon Yes, it is particularly bad on Mastodon. I post frequently on LinkedIn and bsky too and (up until Nov 2024) posted frequently on Xitter. Mastodon is the worst in this regard.

      jesuisatire@social.tchncs.deJ vonxylofon@witter.czV em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE 3 Replies Last reply
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      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

        RE: https://dair-community.social/@emilymbender/110906329010147244

        Every time I decide to post a thread to Mastodon, I'm hit with a new wave of mansplaining. What is it with the culture here? Why do all of these guys think it's so important to share their deep insights in my mentions when they can just post on their own feed? FFS.

        lienrag@mastodon.tedomum.netL This user is from outside of this forum
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        #15

        @emilymbender

        I didn't see the exact posts you were referring to but so I may be wrong, but generally the idea of posting in response to someone is to produce a conversation, which many consider to be the goal of social medias.

        emilymbender@dair-community.socialE zdl@mstdn.socialZ slothrop@chaos.socialS 3 Replies Last reply
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        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

          RE: https://dair-community.social/@emilymbender/110906329010147244

          Every time I decide to post a thread to Mastodon, I'm hit with a new wave of mansplaining. What is it with the culture here? Why do all of these guys think it's so important to share their deep insights in my mentions when they can just post on their own feed? FFS.

          villon@bildung.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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          #16

          @emilymbender

          I’m very sorry that you had to have such bad experiences here. The fediverse is very diverse and obviously there are also many people who have the sensitivity of a steam hammer. .

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          • lienrag@mastodon.tedomum.netL lienrag@mastodon.tedomum.net

            @emilymbender

            I didn't see the exact posts you were referring to but so I may be wrong, but generally the idea of posting in response to someone is to produce a conversation, which many consider to be the goal of social medias.

            emilymbender@dair-community.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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            #17

            @lienrag and yet the posts are not actually constructive contributions but often explaining things back to me as if I haven't been writing about them for years.

            But do go on: how does mansplaining work again? 🙄

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            • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

              RE: https://dair-community.social/@emilymbender/110906329010147244

              Every time I decide to post a thread to Mastodon, I'm hit with a new wave of mansplaining. What is it with the culture here? Why do all of these guys think it's so important to share their deep insights in my mentions when they can just post on their own feed? FFS.

              eco_amandine@mastodon.crE This user is from outside of this forum
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              #18

              @emilymbender we really need more controls here, for example over who can reply to posts. I'm sorry this is happening to you.

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              • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                RE: https://dair-community.social/@emilymbender/110906329010147244

                Every time I decide to post a thread to Mastodon, I'm hit with a new wave of mansplaining. What is it with the culture here? Why do all of these guys think it's so important to share their deep insights in my mentions when they can just post on their own feed? FFS.

                kameleonnn@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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                #19

                @emilymbender lots of well-meaning idiots or just smug assholes and everyone thinks they have the correct opinion on everything that everyone must know and lack self-awareness. i think this is just how tech people are in general and mastodon's full of them (god i hope i'm not being a well-meaning idiot who thinks all their opinions are correct and lacks self-awareness right now)

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                • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                  RE: https://dair-community.social/@emilymbender/110906329010147244

                  Every time I decide to post a thread to Mastodon, I'm hit with a new wave of mansplaining. What is it with the culture here? Why do all of these guys think it's so important to share their deep insights in my mentions when they can just post on their own feed? FFS.

                  scott@sfba.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #20

                  @emilymbender I love your threads and hope I have not replied to one until now. 😅😅😅

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                  • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                    RE: https://dair-community.social/@emilymbender/110906329010147244

                    Every time I decide to post a thread to Mastodon, I'm hit with a new wave of mansplaining. What is it with the culture here? Why do all of these guys think it's so important to share their deep insights in my mentions when they can just post on their own feed? FFS.

                    atraidez@infosec.exchangeA This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #21

                    @emilymbender

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                    • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                      @sashin Not enough.

                      sidhewolf@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #22

                      @emilymbender @sashin I’m not a man but for what it’s worth you’re one of the most influential people for how I think about AI, because you explained everything really well in your papers. So thank you, Professor Bender, we are lucky to have you in the public forum.

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                      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                        RE: https://dair-community.social/@emilymbender/110906329010147244

                        Every time I decide to post a thread to Mastodon, I'm hit with a new wave of mansplaining. What is it with the culture here? Why do all of these guys think it's so important to share their deep insights in my mentions when they can just post on their own feed? FFS.

                        pattykimura@beige.partyP This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #23

                        @emilymbender I read you with gratitude and enthusiasm. I have a Magic 8 Ball in my office as an easy explaining tool because of you.
                        Please don't let smug obnoxious weirdo disruptors stop you from teaching the rest of the thousands in your global class. Just kick them out/block or put them in timeout/mute, for our sake. 👍

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                        • pattykimura@beige.partyP pattykimura@beige.party

                          @emilymbender I read you with gratitude and enthusiasm. I have a Magic 8 Ball in my office as an easy explaining tool because of you.
                          Please don't let smug obnoxious weirdo disruptors stop you from teaching the rest of the thousands in your global class. Just kick them out/block or put them in timeout/mute, for our sake. 👍

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                          #24

                          @pattykimura Thank you for your appreciation. Blocking/muting doesn't solve this problem because there is an unending supply of that guy here on Mastodon. I can block and block and block and still there are mansplainers ready to clog my mentions.

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                          • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                            RE: https://dair-community.social/@emilymbender/110906329010147244

                            Every time I decide to post a thread to Mastodon, I'm hit with a new wave of mansplaining. What is it with the culture here? Why do all of these guys think it's so important to share their deep insights in my mentions when they can just post on their own feed? FFS.

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                            #25

                            @emilymbender

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                            • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                              @pattykimura Thank you for your appreciation. Blocking/muting doesn't solve this problem because there is an unending supply of that guy here on Mastodon. I can block and block and block and still there are mansplainers ready to clog my mentions.

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                              #26

                              @emilymbender Curious, are they coming from the same instances? My instance blocks instances which appear to allow these kinds of deliberate irritants. You are a target for these kinds of attacks because you are a primary voice in the wilderness about the truth about LLMs which has billions of dollars behind them to disrupt and silence you and voices like yours.

                              There has finally been the start of a sea change in the vast public opinion (previously shaped by billions in PR by tech investors), your voice right now is essential, it is critical to this moment in history. My pro Chat GPT-evangelizing CEO finally just acknowledged the deficits of her stance in an unexpected sidebar in a non-LLM-homogenized company-wide email and acknowledged its controversy. It was a remarkable change.

                              We are on a historic precipice. Your influence in this rising debate is crucial. This is why we, selfishly, can't lose your voice because of the stupidest or most sneakily and deliberately disruptive entities who are determined to vex and thereby silence you.

                              "Each one teach one" - I hope you know you teach many more than those who follow you here - we teach others in the real human world. However clumsily or less articulately so, we do. Your reach is exponential.

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                              • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                RE: https://dair-community.social/@emilymbender/110906329010147244

                                Every time I decide to post a thread to Mastodon, I'm hit with a new wave of mansplaining. What is it with the culture here? Why do all of these guys think it's so important to share their deep insights in my mentions when they can just post on their own feed? FFS.

                                tomhead@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #27

                                @emilymbender was going to answer this but then I realized I would be mansplaining mansplaining.

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                                • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                  RE: https://dair-community.social/@emilymbender/110906329010147244

                                  Every time I decide to post a thread to Mastodon, I'm hit with a new wave of mansplaining. What is it with the culture here? Why do all of these guys think it's so important to share their deep insights in my mentions when they can just post on their own feed? FFS.

                                  hypocritus@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #28

                                  @emilymbender Have you tried not posting publicly on the internet?

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                                  • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                    RE: https://dair-community.social/@emilymbender/110906329010147244

                                    Every time I decide to post a thread to Mastodon, I'm hit with a new wave of mansplaining. What is it with the culture here? Why do all of these guys think it's so important to share their deep insights in my mentions when they can just post on their own feed? FFS.

                                    jesuisatire@social.tchncs.deJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #29

                                    @emilymbender

                                    .. just use twitter ..

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                                    • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                      @vonxylofon Yes, it is particularly bad on Mastodon. I post frequently on LinkedIn and bsky too and (up until Nov 2024) posted frequently on Xitter. Mastodon is the worst in this regard.

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                                      #30

                                      @emilymbender

                                      Sry, but why has mastodon and it's community to be as you wish it to see?

                                      If LinkedIn and blsky suits you and your needs, isn't that enough?

                                      Actually this is the fedi, so you most likely have work arounds, like posting from a wordpress instance via activityPub addon disabling comments for example.

                                      And no, mastodon doesn't have to be a "eierlegende Wollmilchsau", that's why we are a decentralized network with an underlying communication protocol.

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                                      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                        RE: https://dair-community.social/@emilymbender/110906329010147244

                                        Every time I decide to post a thread to Mastodon, I'm hit with a new wave of mansplaining. What is it with the culture here? Why do all of these guys think it's so important to share their deep insights in my mentions when they can just post on their own feed? FFS.

                                        slyborg@ohai.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #31

                                        @emilymbender As to why there are so many of us, I guess kind of by definition a population of people that choose to use a platform named for a band named for a giant hairy Pleistocene mammal tends to self-select for cranks and weirdos. It's basically antisocial media 😞

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                                        • hypocritus@mastodon.socialH hypocritus@mastodon.social

                                          @emilymbender Have you tried not posting publicly on the internet?

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                                          #32

                                          @Hypocritus @emilymbender

                                          is this like a play on words with your handle?

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