New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."→ https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics
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New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
→ https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics@davidrevoy
AI girl is crying
Over an unbroken pumpkin
There are no tears
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New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
→ https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics@davidrevoy I don't get why meat puppets submit to the machine in the first place. But I extra don't get *sending you* the results.
If I was making garbage of someone's work, I'd just keep it to myself, or sell it without notice if I had no ethics.
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New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
→ https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics@davidrevoy I wonder how many of us chose Creative Common licenses with the obvious thinking that those licenses would forbid AI use?
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@dajb @poleguy @cwebber @davidrevoy CC-BY does not allow AI training use because such use does not preserve attribution. It's great to be explicit about that, but there is no "the old license allowed it" loophole here.
@dalias @poleguy @cwebber @davidrevoy no
If only it were that simple:
"CC licenses apply only when copyright permission is required. If exceptions or limitations apply, then the CC license terms don’t apply."
https://creativecommons.org/using-cc-licensed-works-for-ai-training-2/
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New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
→ https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics@davidrevoy I remembered this tweet from the Pope while looking at the "Generative AI version" next to the OG version.
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@n1xnx @f4grx @h5e @davidrevoy if you live in the UK it's fine if you do that with pigs, so long you are part of the political class
Obviously, pig having sex with pig is nothing to be frowned upon.
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@f4grx @davidrevoy why do people even *do* that??
“hey artist i like your work anyway i used a machine to make it better maybe you’ll like it” seems like a very deranged thing to do and yet
@h5e @f4grx @davidrevoy that “better” is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
Whatever happened to respecting art and ideas? I can understand wanting to see a ‘finished’ version of the sketch in the example, but that’s not up to me or a machine to do so. Just leave it to the imagination - of which AI bros have none (imho)
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@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
Consider to also add an explicit "training fee". Something like: you can use any of my images for generative AI training for 10€ each pixel.@giacomo @davidrevoy And add a "generation fee" of €10 per pixel training data used per generation
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@h5e @f4grx @davidrevoy that “better” is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
Whatever happened to respecting art and ideas? I can understand wanting to see a ‘finished’ version of the sketch in the example, but that’s not up to me or a machine to do so. Just leave it to the imagination - of which AI bros have none (imho)
@richrockster @f4grx @davidrevoy better is not my opinion, obviously
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@arfisk Thank you, yes, I'm a follower of the CC blog. I'm also often reacting to their post on mastodon, or alerting them since 2022/2023 to handle the situation, but they never reply or interact.
Sadly, I feel them pretty disconnected from the "artist and content creators" right now on Internet. I lost hope in them.
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@davidrevoy Why would someone look at a bunch of comics about how much you hate AI and think that sending you AI clones of those comics was a good idea?
My guess: They don't think you'll like it, they think you're owned. See? This AI you hate so much can make comics as well as you can! (It can't.)
The other "offers" of course probably had AI do the work of deciding to e-mail you and everything, so whatever humans were involved probably neither knew nor cared. Spam casts a wide net after all.
@Linebyline To my surprise, the ones who are sending me this, often think they are "helping", a bit like when someone show the usage of fire to cavemen. Same type of energy, they think I'm not smart as them to know how to use AI, so they offer their help...
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Please have a proper lawyer with copyright/licensing experience look at your idea of how to license your comics in the future.
I am pretty sure you cannot legally use a "CC-something" with an additional "no AI" clause, because then the folks behind the CC licensing might send you a cease and desist letter, since they don't approve of a CC-but-no-AI-use license just yet.
You will probably have to come up with an entire license text of your own, and call it something like the David-Revoy-no-AI-License.
@farbenstau Having a proper lawyer is not in my budget, and so, not in my options unfortunately.
I check: 600€ per appointments, first one to meet and frame the issue, then two more for work in progress, and even more then to redact the paper or something. I don't have ~3000€ to invest on this, and one afternoon per week to take the car to the closest city and wait into the desk of a lawyer.
Right now, just drawing the line publicly and stamping it on my art might be enough to dissuade usage.
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@farbenstau Having a proper lawyer is not in my budget, and so, not in my options unfortunately.
I check: 600€ per appointments, first one to meet and frame the issue, then two more for work in progress, and even more then to redact the paper or something. I don't have ~3000€ to invest on this, and one afternoon per week to take the car to the closest city and wait into the desk of a lawyer.
Right now, just drawing the line publicly and stamping it on my art might be enough to dissuade usage.
@davidrevoy WTF? Over here, the initial meetup is usually around 150-250€ …
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@davidrevoy Hm, re-reading, maybe not possible to do in addition to this term. It's been so long since I thought about moral rights clauses.
@cwebber Hey, thank you, and yes. I plan to annotate this in addition of CC By or CC By-Sa.
Yes, CC 4.0, as you noted, has built-in waiver for the moral right. But not all, it's sort of grayish.When I visited CC, they told me I could easily action it if, eg, alt-right reused my work on the flag of their campaign or if one of my main OC was reused for the design of a sexual inflatable doll.
It's a case by case thing that must be studied in courts, but it often prevail other rules.
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@davidrevoy WTF? Over here, the initial meetup is usually around 150-250€ …
Also, are there no online services where you can consult with an attorney, is that not legal in your country?@farbenstau No, it's like that. Some non-profit org might give free legal advice, and hot lines, but it's often for a certain type of activism, not for any type of questions.
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@davidrevoy Your situation seems terrifying. I can't imagine the feeling of receiving such things like as it was 'normal'.
Seeing artists suffering from this makes me boil in anger. Hope your adjustements will have at least minimum effects. Sending support your way for dealing wih all this bs.
@voxographe Thank you!
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@h5e @f4grx @davidrevoy its like rocking up to a woodworking class with a CnC machine
@Bredroll @h5e @f4grx @davidrevoy No, it's not, because to use a CNC machine, you still need to understand the art and science of woodworking. It's more like walking up to a woodworking class with a bag of sawdust and a flamethrower.
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@farbenstau No, it's like that. Some non-profit org might give free legal advice, and hot lines, but it's often for a certain type of activism, not for any type of questions.
@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
You can license your art as you like. Nobody will sue you for using a #CreativeCommon license with additional clausoles. That's just plain #FUD spreading.
Just double check that there is no evident contraddiction between the license and the #NoAI addendum.
My only suggestion is to actually set a (pretty high) price tag on "training" over your art.
That's because to prove copyright infridgement in many courts, you must be able to prove an economical demage that the GenAI should refund.
@farbenstau@infosec.exchange
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@cwebber Hey, thank you, and yes. I plan to annotate this in addition of CC By or CC By-Sa.
Yes, CC 4.0, as you noted, has built-in waiver for the moral right. But not all, it's sort of grayish.When I visited CC, they told me I could easily action it if, eg, alt-right reused my work on the flag of their campaign or if one of my main OC was reused for the design of a sexual inflatable doll.
It's a case by case thing that must be studied in courts, but it often prevail other rules.
@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
Just in case, you might like the #HackingLicense as an alternative to CC-BY-SA + NoAI
https://encrypted.tesio.it/documents/HACK.txt
However the suggestion to set an "AI training" price tag stands.
@cwebber@social.coop
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@farbenstau No, it's like that. Some non-profit org might give free legal advice, and hot lines, but it's often for a certain type of activism, not for any type of questions.
@davidrevoy @farbenstau
Creative Commons is currently making a social contract system for handling AI agents called "signals". You can view it live here https://github.com/creativecommons/cc-signalsAt the moment it doesn't appear you'll be able to disallow usage, only specify openness preference
