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New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."→ https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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  • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

    New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
    → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

    voxographe@social.nah.reV This user is from outside of this forum
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    voxographe@social.nah.re
    wrote sidst redigeret af
    #43

    @davidrevoy Your situation seems terrifying. I can't imagine the feeling of receiving such things like as it was 'normal'.

    Seeing artists suffering from this makes me boil in anger. Hope your adjustements will have at least minimum effects. Sending support your way for dealing wih all this bs.

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    • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

      New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
      → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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      jordan@mastodon.subj.am
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #44

      @davidrevoy
      As someone who's trying to build a new music platform centered around CC licenses and local communities, I thank you for writing the article. I 100% concur.

      My research shows that unfortunately, it's difficult for any license at all to restrict AI training on content, because that's a copyright issue, not a licensing one. I'm hoping that this will change. I want to protect local and independent musicians from AI theft, but I want them to share w/CC and be supported, too. It's hard.

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      • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

        New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
        → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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        voxel@infosec.space
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #45

        @davidrevoy this will maybe will you: https://github.com/ai-robots-txt/ai.robots.txt

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        • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

          New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
          → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

          eryops@dice.campE This user is from outside of this forum
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          eryops@dice.camp
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #46

          @davidrevoy Are you saying that replacing a broken plate with a loaf of bread(?) isn't enough to make the AI slop original?

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          • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

            New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
            → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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            skaphle@social.tchncs.de
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #47

            @davidrevoy Have you looked into using Nightshade or Glaze or something in that direction to poison AI derivation attempts?

            https://nightshade.cs.uchicago.edu/whatis.html

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            • n1xnx@tilde.zoneN n1xnx@tilde.zone

              @f4grx @h5e @davidrevoy
              Since I'm not actually deranged (externally verified), the very notion of feeding someone else's work into an Ai to "improve" or "expand" it brings on a powerful retch reflex.

              Seems about as acceptable as raping a sheep on the town square at midday.

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              pirigoto@mastodonapp.uk
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #48

              @n1xnx @f4grx @h5e @davidrevoy if you live in the UK it's fine if you do that with pigs, so long you are part of the political class

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              • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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                cy@fedicy.us.to
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #49
                crying → singing like Gloria Estaban
                ket → Catbus-bus from the popular hit movie Miyazaki's My Neighbor Totoro
                absolutely fascinating hat crown → buckle
                gee what's the problem everything looks hunky dory to me
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                • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                  New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                  → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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                  ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #50

                  @davidrevoy

                  You know the differences between the two are very subtly different emotionally.

                  The alteration of the context..

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                  • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                    New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                    → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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                    deusfigendi@troet.cafe
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #51

                    @davidrevoy

                    I like your attempt and your point very much. You dislike and prohibit AI without demonizing it or being unrealistic fanatic nor extreme.

                    I am not sure if it is possible to limit the cc-licenses in such a way, but of course one can always write an own license.

                    And if creative commons does not come along with a "no AI" variant, maybe "Art libre" does or GFDL (well unlikely, but you get the point, there are other free licenses)

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                    • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                      New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                      → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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                      marvins@mastodon.de
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #52

                      @davidrevoy

                      Interior monologue of the AI:

                      Ah, I see. A girl! It should be drawn in a beautiful way. Here's some fantastic volume for her magical hair 🪄

                      What's that? It cries? No excuse for an ugly chin! Also, it doesn't really cry, does it? Can I get a little idea of a smile? Perfect.

                      And what's that on the top of her head? A very strange hat, indeed. The artist can't even draw wrinkly wizard hats! Here ist the most perfect wrinkly wizard hat imaginable for this cute littly girl.

                      Ok, I don't exactly know, what's that down there – maybe a ball of some kind? Yeah, it's a child, why not! And really a checker board pattern fits this whole aesthetic far better than whatever that is in the base sketch.

                      All in all, I made it perfect. As everything should be. 😁

                      Why do I waste my time anthropomorphising it?

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                      • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                        New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                        → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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                        mirek@rodina-sucha.cz
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #53

                        @davidrevoy CreativeCommons statement on the opt-out of "text and data mining" (TDM) for the training purposes https://creativecommons.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/CC-Statement-on-the-TDM-Exception-Art-4-DSM-Final.pdf and here is the implementaion of the "technical means" they refers to: https://www.w3.org/community/reports/tdmrep/CG-FINAL-tdmrep-20240510/

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                        • poleguy@mastodon.socialP poleguy@mastodon.social

                          @dajb @cwebber @davidrevoy I'd think it would be easier to start with CC BY-ND and then add an exception to allow for derivatives if they were not AI.

                          However, I am not a lawyer. Also: possession is nine-tenths of the law, and the AI companies have already trained on the data.

                          Laws, contracts and licenses are only useful if all parties actually agree to the terms. The written text of the licenses is really only to avoid confusion about the agreement. But the AI companies don't show good faith.

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                          dajb@social.coop
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                          #54

                          @poleguy @cwebber @davidrevoy Well, also, although you can relicense, anything you've originally released just under CC BY is fair game.

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                          • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                            New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                            → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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                            pilou@cubhub.social
                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #55

                            @davidrevoy I am surprised there are not more organized initiatives to curtail theft on content (fostered) by AI companies. Even open source SW seem to be lagging behind while they used to be rather good at this.

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                            • f4grx@chaos.socialF f4grx@chaos.social

                              @farbenstau @davidrevoy you can add exceptions to licenses. It renders them incompatible but thats the exact goal.

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                              scriptfanix@maly.io
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #56

                              @f4grx
                              Also it's about time CC at least acknowledges the issue. I plan on heading a similar exception to CC By-SA for my upcoming music album.
                              @farbenstau @davidrevoy

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                              • dajb@social.coopD dajb@social.coop

                                @cwebber @davidrevoy Isn't this what CC BY-ND is for? 🤔

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                                robotistry@fediscience.org
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #57

                                @dajb @cwebber @davidrevoy Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the problem is wanting a CC-BY-ND-ForAI combined with a CC-BY-ForNotAI so the models aren't allowed to change or use the image while the humans are?

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                                • pilou@cubhub.socialP pilou@cubhub.social

                                  @davidrevoy I am surprised there are not more organized initiatives to curtail theft on content (fostered) by AI companies. Even open source SW seem to be lagging behind while they used to be rather good at this.

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                                  #58

                                  @pilou @davidrevoy I think the problem there is that a thing called copyright did already exist that is supposed to give a way to hold people and corps to account, but that it seems that all govts instantly created a "its fine to infringe for training AI" exemption.

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                                  • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                                    New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                                    → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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                                    robinsyl@meow.social
                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #59

                                    @davidrevoy oh my good lord if someone sent me an AI derivation of my music I will turn into a werecat and visit their house at night

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                                    • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                                      New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                                      → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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                                      robotistry@fediscience.org
                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #60

                                      @davidrevoy It went from a delightful sketch of an overwhelmed tween in a wonderfully quirky outfit sitting on the floor sobbing over a broken plate while holding a deeply upset cat, to a pseudo-watercolor still from a Disney movie showing a young elementary school girl in a stereotypical witch costume singing to a slightly startled cat while sitting on the floor next to a large ball?

                                      Everything about this is just icky. Why would someone do this?

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                                      • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                                        New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                                        → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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                                        bene@fosstodon.org
                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #61

                                        @davidrevoy the SI (sub intelligent) derivation has 3 knees...

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                                        • bredroll@mas.toB bredroll@mas.to

                                          @pilou @davidrevoy I think the problem there is that a thing called copyright did already exist that is supposed to give a way to hold people and corps to account, but that it seems that all govts instantly created a "its fine to infringe for training AI" exemption.

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                                          pilou@cubhub.social
                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #62

                                          @Bredroll @davidrevoy I mentioned SW because something like the GPLv3 license goes well beyond copyright. It is contaminating code linked against it so that code has to be published. Bigger corporations are paranoid about GPLv3 licensed code.
                                          A contaminating license on art that would force companies to publish their models and training protocols would certainly make executives sweat.

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