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Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/

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  • bontchev@infosec.exchangeB bontchev@infosec.exchange

    @GossiTheDog He's absolutely right though. You can either "go green" to "save the plant", sanction Russian gas, fall behind the USA, and let China win. Or you could try to catch up on computing power by increasing energy production as much as possible. You can't do both. The EU must choose. I'm sure that it will make the wrong choice, as usual.

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    #22

    @bontchev @GossiTheDog

    It'd be pretty hard to fall behind the US in governance and science policy, so we needn't take any positive lessons from them. Europe is full of people, and people need a livable environment more than they need China not to "win" something left unstated.

    Catch up on computing power or catch up on computing sovereignty? Not the same thing. The "more gigawatts is better computing" approach is gallons-per-mile thinking.

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    • bontchev@infosec.exchangeB bontchev@infosec.exchange

      @GossiTheDog He's absolutely right though. You can either "go green" to "save the plant", sanction Russian gas, fall behind the USA, and let China win. Or you could try to catch up on computing power by increasing energy production as much as possible. You can't do both. The EU must choose. I'm sure that it will make the wrong choice, as usual.

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      #23

      @bontchev @GossiTheDog
      "ICEBERG, DEAD AHEAD!"

      "THIS TECHNOLOGY IS INEVITABLE, FULL STEAM AHEAD!"

      https://mas.to/@gabrielesvelto/116760705891632432

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      • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

        Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/

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        #24

        @GossiTheDog
        Especially odd to even think of considering this trade off given that over the next 20 or 30 years climate change will hit Europe harder than the USA, Russia or China.
        I'm sure it hasn't occurred to any of the interested parties that increasing the number of damaging weather events would hit the European economy, demoralise its people, and raise support for authoritarian governments to "sort it out, whatever it takes".

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        • dec23k@mastodon.ieD dec23k@mastodon.ie

          @bontchev @GossiTheDog
          "ICEBERG, DEAD AHEAD!"

          "THIS TECHNOLOGY IS INEVITABLE, FULL STEAM AHEAD!"

          https://mas.to/@gabrielesvelto/116760705891632432

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          #25

          @dec23k @GossiTheDog In fact, if the Titanic had hit the iceberg dead ahead, it wouldn't have sunk. But trying to steer around it caused the iceberg to shear the ship's side, flooding several waterproof compartments.

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          • bontchev@infosec.exchangeB bontchev@infosec.exchange

            @dec23k @GossiTheDog In fact, if the Titanic had hit the iceberg dead ahead, it wouldn't have sunk. But trying to steer around it caused the iceberg to shear the ship's side, flooding several waterproof compartments.

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            #26

            @bontchev @GossiTheDog

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            • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

              Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/

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              #27

              @GossiTheDog
              The following applies here:

              https://pluralistic.net/2026/06/18/their-trillions-our-billions/#eyes-on-the-prize

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              • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                @drahardja @GossiTheDog clearly you've never talked to a "longtermist" or other tech cultist.

                (or you've successfully repressed that sad experience).

                I've worked with one, who genuinely thought humanity should commit collective suicide after building AI, to leave our resources to the "successor intelligence".

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                #28

                @datarama
                I will wait impatiently for his Behind The Bastards episode.

                Or even better, Respect The Dead (A Podcast Where They Don't).

                @drahardja @GossiTheDog

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                • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                  Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/

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                  #29

                  @GossiTheDog "if we don't accelerate global warming then China will build bigger server farms than us," wow, that's a really convincing case. obviously I'm being sardonic here but the wretched thing is, European (and American) politicians respond reliably to Sinophobia

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                  • bontchev@infosec.exchangeB bontchev@infosec.exchange

                    @GossiTheDog He's absolutely right though. You can either "go green" to "save the plant", sanction Russian gas, fall behind the USA, and let China win. Or you could try to catch up on computing power by increasing energy production as much as possible. You can't do both. The EU must choose. I'm sure that it will make the wrong choice, as usual.

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                    #30

                    @bontchev
                    I've got a surprise answer for that sinophobic trope: China has already won, being the world's factory. As in real, material things.

                    The “West” looking for a new grift has found “AI”. A ineffective, anti-intelectual, technology, that cannot generate a cent of ROI, except for the shovel seller, which needs to finance it's clients.

                    (And even then China, with bans on chips, has developed a less resource-wasting model.)

                    So are you a TEACREAL cultist?

                    @GossiTheDog

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                    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                      Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/

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                      #31

                      @GossiTheDog
                      It could be worse, they could power it from the Polish power grid \s

                      (~75% coal and oil + 20% gas power mix)

                      @blogdiva

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                      • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                        Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/

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                        #32

                        @GossiTheDog Mass murders telling on themselves:

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