@evan I read some of it and got the impression that it does. Would you agree?

@evan Does the growing block theory treat 'existing' and the 'real' as synonymous?

@crumbleneedy Yes, special care and attention will be needed. How do imagine fighting AI slop polluting the internet?

@diffdude I think it's a promising start and hope others will join your conversation. I think a plugin eventually could have both an AI checker and human input.

@crumbleneedy I could easily name a few hundred accounts on here that I feel confident are writing their own toots and don't generate them with LLM. I could easily do the same with a few hundred sites too. For example, I can judge likely LLM-generated gardening content from a mile away, because gardening is my field. I think others could benefit from that. We don't need absolute certainty to help us navigate the web better.

@beandreams I would say race is not real, but it does exist - in the imagination of racists and in public discourse etc. https://radikal.social/@malte/115405095851060226

@crumbleneedy I don't disagree with you that there are risks. At the moment, my search experience is rapidly deteriorating. I want to start a conversation what we can do about it. I like your idea about an appeals process. How do you think it should look like?

@giuda_ballerino Looking forward to see how you will make something that will help us read more critically and learn to spot bullshit better.

@crumbleneedy If a page gets scored by 100 people and one person is fixated on em-dashes, it shouldn't change much. Do you have any trust in collective intelligence?

@diffdude That seems like the opposite of what I'm proposing.

@beandreams That's also pretty close to my definition of "real"! I would add that real things have an effect of the world on their own, regardless if we think about them. This is also why 'imagined pasts' are not real. They do exist, but only in our imagination. Our imagination is powerful and has effects on the world. But as soon as we stop imagining that past or future, it ceases to exist. It doesn't have a reality of its own. @evan

@beandreams Did you consider that the real thing having effects on you might be your present thoughts about those imaginary times, and not those times themselves? @evan

@evan The tradition I follow would say that both past, present and the future exists, but only the present is real.

Jeg antager den danske regering kunne finde på noget lignende. Kan nogen bekræfte?
https://kolektiva.social/@rojavakommitteerna_com/115402428382295223

@tanquist I have this turned on in my kaginimage search too. I hope we'll see more of this kind of tools. I propose this in the same spirit.

@swope In another project I've benefited a lot from, some users have higher influence on the score based on previous ability to judge correctly. In such a scenario, those bots would lose their influence. I was hoping someone could describe this better. It has to be a WEB of trust, so we use some kind of discrimination mechanism on users too.

@giuda_ballerino I join your concern. Did you see my extra comment? I think your friend should be able to add some evidence or documentation that their work is indeed not LLM-generated. The very problem, that we constantly suspect this, is what we want to find solutions to. https://radikal.social/@malte/115400418825934736

@diffdude Awesome. I'm one of those who's on Firefox.

@curiouscat Yes, it's the federated version of those lists in a way

@noodlejetski Good catch. Web of trust means we need some kind of P2P assessment of users too, so that users that tend to assess sites correctly, also influence the score better and bots that are trying to manipulate the score gets very little influence.