Over the weekend, 17,000 people canceled their #WorldCup tickets

[log@mastodon.sdf.org]

@admin In general, it is not productive to engage Ben Royce in this manner. Whatever he's saying that you disagree with, just subtoot it. He has a /modus votus/, and no matter how reasonable and appropriate your proposal, if it is not "vote for Democrats" in its entirety, you are undermining the message.

I, for one, think mobbing/swarming tactics, closing schools, and general strikes are entirely warranted. I also think retaliatory violence is okay. They need to be *afraid* to abduct.

[admin@mastodon.ai8w.ddns.net]

@Huntn00

So does the current system...

@benroyce

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@Huntn00 @admin

Right

@ admin doesn't seem to understand there are mathematical rules here and is acting like we're forcing our opinions on them

but what's happening is the us voting system is blackjack and they are trying to play poker

If we change the game, and go to ranked choice voting (poker), everything they say makes perfect sense

But unfortunately we're stuck at the blackjack table until we vote in those people who will change our voting system

And it is creeping in in the usa

[frankfrank@newsie.social]

@benroyce @lynfox

I was at a "No Kings" rally here in the Bangor, Maine local last summer.

The phrase "Genocide Joe" came up with one of the speakers. Not one single mention of the name Kamala Harris was spoken.

Don't get me wrong, Bernie Sanders has articulated the many problems we face. But unfortunately the 'Bernie Bros' think to fix inequality, demands Anarchy - "Burning It All Down!"

Those purist, single issue, Uncommitted, swallowed the propaganda, stayed home & gave us tRUMP.

[caymanpilot@mastodon.social]

@benroyce
Waiting for the asshole to swallow himself is a losing strategy. We need more people in the streets. Every time I go to a protest march and I could be wrong but I see mostly grey hairs. There's just not enough involvement from the general public. I recall going to Vietnam anti war protests when I was in high school. It might be difficult to get the youth to put down their phones, but I think engaging the youth could be helpful.
We also need to use tools like cyber and economic

[admin@mastodon.ai8w.ddns.net]

@Huntn00

Actually, I do...

Ranked Choice means that if the candidate I do like doesn't get enough votes, then the candidates I don't like can "steal" my vote.

Now, tell me, why would I want a candidate that I don't want in office (which describes the last 8 elections - or more - in the US for me) to be able to count my vote for them, rather than for the candidate for which I wish to vote?

@benroyce

[huntn00@mastodon.world]

@tuban_muzuru @benroyce This (don’t come to America) is a cause and effect argument. Unfortunately an element of this strategy is logic. Some of us can only learn when we see the negative results of our actions, and unfortunately we all, good and bad will suffer, but it’s the only real way to fix this. The world must treat the US as pariahs for us to collectively get the message. Some good people will unfortunately suffer more than they deserve.

[mast0d0nphan@beige.party]

@benroyce Remember to boycott any livestreams of the FIFA World Cup, as well as any other branches of FIFA, like their games division.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@admin @Huntn00

Because the founders of the country weren't mathematicians. So the system is broken. And you are choosing to not understand how it is broken. We're asking you to understand the math. Did you watch the video link I sent you? It's quite good. You will understand the reality you are stuck in (again, it has nothing to do with opinions or religion, just mathematical facts)

[tuban_muzuru@beige.party]

@Huntn00 @benroyce

What's your explanation for the alienated Democratic voter - and there are a lot of us.

[threenotch@mastodonapp.uk]

@benroyce 1. FIFA is a total shitshow. 2. Yes tourism should die at least until DJT and his cabal of criminals are jailed.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@admin @Huntn00

what you just wrote is a lie

your first rank gets your vote. if they don't win, your second choice gets your vote

so you can vote your conscience, without worrying that your vote will divide the left and hand a win to trump. which is what happens with a 3rd party vote in fptp

again: fact. not opinion

why would you lie about this

it's quite obvious what it is

mathematicians have studied this. you can't deny reality just with your feelings

[huntn00@mastodon.world]

@tuban_muzuru @benroyce Who do you think would actually want to come here for pleasure or business if there’s a good chance they’ll be detained as an enemy of Humpty “until we get to scrutinize you properly and generally abuse you, maybe send you to a foreign prison?” What a great vacation!

[admin@mastodon.ai8w.ddns.net]

@benroyce

From the way I understand it, ranked choice requires all candidates to get a vote, in order....

I can't *ONLY* vote for the candidates that I want in office, I *MUST* rank all the candidates in order of preference.

If my candidate doesn't win, then my "second choice" (which isn't someone I want in office) gets my vote.

This is not how I wish to vote.

@Huntn00

[james@todon.eu]

@benroyce ينبغي أن يقتصر الأمر على المكسيك وكندا فقط.

[admin@mastodon.ai8w.ddns.net]

@benroyce

Also, that's the last time you're going to call me a liar.

There is nothing further to be gained from this discussion.

@Huntn00

[naturemc@mastodon.online]

@benroyce @tuban_muzuru Just speaking for Europe: It doesn't matter what is said in social media.
We have warnings by our Foreign ministries how to behave, and we read in our newspapers how innocent tourists were either prevented from entering the United States in the first place, or were repeatedly detained and hidden away in dubious prison camps before our embassies secured their release.
These facts are enough, we don't need social media. Your government does enough to keep people away.

[huntn00@mastodon.world]

@tuban_muzuru @benroyce It’s my explanation about why foreigners should not be spending $$$ in the TSA. Ok, listen, if you’re alienated, the last thing you want is to be ruled by fascists. Some pragmatism is required, relative good vs bad, move in steps, you won’t find perfect, chose better.

[ohmu@social.seattle.wa.us]

@benroyce
That would be just *awful* if the whole World Cup thing fizzled and turned into a normally manageable few weekends here in #Seattle instead of the freaking Defcon 1 situation we've been hearing about for over a year.

[huntn00@mastodon.world]

@johnrohde @benroyce It is the only way it will register on the Bs…
which should not even exist, as they are a huge part of our problems.