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Cis people sometimes demand #trans people rigourously define what "gender" means and explain what drives us to embody a gender other than the one assigned to us at birth.

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  • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

    Cis people sometimes demand #trans people rigourously define what "gender" means and explain what drives us to embody a gender other than the one assigned to us at birth. If we can't do that, they say, how can they believe us?

    But trans people shouldn't have to be philosophers and psychologists all wrapped up into one to have our experiences believed. 1/

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    #20

    @Tattie I think even more fundamentally - there's been entire books and a million blogs of personal narratives, lots of them. Medical research studies, medical associations, entire international interdisciplinary organizations of people who are the world experts in gender diversity. They all say trans people are real, valid, and who they say they are. If someone isn't willing to accept those piles of evidence, then challenging an individual trans person is just hunting for some gotcha.

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    • jrdepriest@infosec.exchangeJ jrdepriest@infosec.exchange

      @Tattie in fact, I'm sharing a Masto Reader link to this thread on my woke family Signal chat so they can understand what dysphoria is like since it is hard to explain and you have done so in an almost poetic way.

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      #21

      @Tattie cousin told me, after reading it, that her 25 year old AMAB child thinks he might be transgender. They are currently dating a trans woman, too. Thank you for helping to open up that dialogue.

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      • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

        Cis people sometimes demand #trans people rigourously define what "gender" means and explain what drives us to embody a gender other than the one assigned to us at birth. If we can't do that, they say, how can they believe us?

        But trans people shouldn't have to be philosophers and psychologists all wrapped up into one to have our experiences believed. 1/

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        #22

        @Tattie

        I'm happier as a girl and the evidence suggests it has to do with my brain but that's all I can conclusively say

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        • jrdepriest@infosec.exchangeJ jrdepriest@infosec.exchange

          @Tattie cousin told me, after reading it, that her 25 year old AMAB child thinks he might be transgender. They are currently dating a trans woman, too. Thank you for helping to open up that dialogue.

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          #23

          @jrdepriest oh my gosh, I'm so happy that I could be part of that!

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          • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

            Cis people sometimes demand #trans people rigourously define what "gender" means and explain what drives us to embody a gender other than the one assigned to us at birth. If we can't do that, they say, how can they believe us?

            But trans people shouldn't have to be philosophers and psychologists all wrapped up into one to have our experiences believed. 1/

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            #24

            @Tattie also a cis person who has never interrogated their gender will get real defensive if you try and flip the question on them. they'll say "i just am" or something

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            • forestine@sunny.gardenF forestine@sunny.garden

              @Tattie also a cis person who has never interrogated their gender will get real defensive if you try and flip the question on them. they'll say "i just am" or something

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              #25

              @forestine @Tattie

              Yep, funny that 😅

              I'm CIS and have never been able to explain why I am CIS, why I am happy with my gender matching my biological sex. I just am. And I don't believe any CIS person really could. So why on earth should any trans person be expected to?

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              • jaxvent@lgbtqia.spaceJ jaxvent@lgbtqia.space

                @forestine @Tattie

                Yep, funny that 😅

                I'm CIS and have never been able to explain why I am CIS, why I am happy with my gender matching my biological sex. I just am. And I don't believe any CIS person really could. So why on earth should any trans person be expected to?

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                #26

                @JaxVent @Tattie yes, great points.

                btw in case you weren't aware, cis is not an acronym for anything, but is latin, and doesn't need to be capitalised

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                • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                  That's it. That's what I've got. Just my experience.

                  No grand theory that explains everything, no intellectual justification. I can't explain this any more than you can.

                  But my experience is real. And I cannot stand by if you're going to "debate" the reality of it.

                  I exist. I'm right here. Look at me.
                  Fin/

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                  #27

                  @Tattie Thanks! I appreciate you sharing this. It's lovely. Congrats on finding ways to feel like you.

                  I also think it's wild that cis people are expecting you to explain gender to them. My experience asking cis people to explain this whole gender thing is that either they flop around like a fish on a riverbank or they fall back on PLUTO IS A PLANET repetition of too-simple things that they learned when they were 7 and haven't thought about since.

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                  • forestine@sunny.gardenF forestine@sunny.garden

                    @JaxVent @Tattie yes, great points.

                    btw in case you weren't aware, cis is not an acronym for anything, but is latin, and doesn't need to be capitalised

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                    #28

                    @forestine @Tattie

                    I knew that, so don't know why I capitalise it 🤔 Thanks for the reminder 🙂

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                    • jaxvent@lgbtqia.spaceJ jaxvent@lgbtqia.space

                      @forestine @Tattie

                      I knew that, so don't know why I capitalise it 🤔 Thanks for the reminder 🙂

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                      #29

                      @JaxVent @forestine @Tattie autocorrect uppercases it automatically for me every time and it's so annoying

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                      • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                        That's it. That's what I've got. Just my experience.

                        No grand theory that explains everything, no intellectual justification. I can't explain this any more than you can.

                        But my experience is real. And I cannot stand by if you're going to "debate" the reality of it.

                        I exist. I'm right here. Look at me.
                        Fin/

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                        #30

                        @Tattie thanks for writing this, it very much mirrors my own experience. I tried so hard to avoid transitioning. I lived as a femme out gay man for over a decade. I'm still just at the early stages and still terrified, but I've reached the end of the road of alternative options. We shouldn't have to rigorously justify our own existence, it's just unreasonable to expect this. There probably isn't a rational explanation for being trans, it's just life and it unfolds the way it does. Sending all my love 💕

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                        • xorlou@lgbtqia.spaceX xorlou@lgbtqia.space

                          @Tattie thanks for writing this, it very much mirrors my own experience. I tried so hard to avoid transitioning. I lived as a femme out gay man for over a decade. I'm still just at the early stages and still terrified, but I've reached the end of the road of alternative options. We shouldn't have to rigorously justify our own existence, it's just unreasonable to expect this. There probably isn't a rational explanation for being trans, it's just life and it unfolds the way it does. Sending all my love 💕

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                          #31

                          @xorlou well done on reaching this point, it's not easy! Hope transition is bringing you joy!

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                          • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                            That's it. That's what I've got. Just my experience.

                            No grand theory that explains everything, no intellectual justification. I can't explain this any more than you can.

                            But my experience is real. And I cannot stand by if you're going to "debate" the reality of it.

                            I exist. I'm right here. Look at me.
                            Fin/

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                            #32

                            @Tattie ❤ ❤ ❤

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                            • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                              Cis people sometimes demand #trans people rigourously define what "gender" means and explain what drives us to embody a gender other than the one assigned to us at birth. If we can't do that, they say, how can they believe us?

                              But trans people shouldn't have to be philosophers and psychologists all wrapped up into one to have our experiences believed. 1/

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                              #33

                              @Tattie
                              And we shouldn't have to be endocrinologists to get proper health care or lawyers to get our documents changed...

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                              • eruonna@lgbtqia.spaceE eruonna@lgbtqia.space

                                @Tattie
                                And we shouldn't have to be endocrinologists to get proper health care or lawyers to get our documents changed...

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                                #34

                                @eruonna or ethicists, or sports scientists, or fashionistas, or anthropologists, or conflict mediators, or counsellors (oh wait)

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                                • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                                  @xorlou well done on reaching this point, it's not easy! Hope transition is bringing you joy!

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                                  #35

                                  @Tattie thanks, yes I feel a lot of relief to finally be on HRT and I have been feeling better about myself.

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                                  • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                                    Cis people sometimes demand #trans people rigourously define what "gender" means and explain what drives us to embody a gender other than the one assigned to us at birth. If we can't do that, they say, how can they believe us?

                                    But trans people shouldn't have to be philosophers and psychologists all wrapped up into one to have our experiences believed. 1/

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                                    #36

                                    @Tattie Cis people be like "I don't make the rules" and then literally go and make the rules

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                                    • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                                      That's it. That's what I've got. Just my experience.

                                      No grand theory that explains everything, no intellectual justification. I can't explain this any more than you can.

                                      But my experience is real. And I cannot stand by if you're going to "debate" the reality of it.

                                      I exist. I'm right here. Look at me.
                                      Fin/

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                                      #37

                                      @Tattie
                                      A few people already said similar, but plenty of social sciences have already done all that work of defining gender so we shouldn't have to.

                                      It's not that transphobes can't find the information, it's that they don't care to listen to it anyway because it doesn't validate their own hateful beliefs.

                                      It'd also help if they stopped burning our studies, books, and science centers down then pretending it's a new idea to be a transgender person.

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                                      • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                                        That's it. That's what I've got. Just my experience.

                                        No grand theory that explains everything, no intellectual justification. I can't explain this any more than you can.

                                        But my experience is real. And I cannot stand by if you're going to "debate" the reality of it.

                                        I exist. I'm right here. Look at me.
                                        Fin/

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                                        #38

                                        @Tattie 💜

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                                        • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                                          Cis people sometimes demand #trans people rigourously define what "gender" means and explain what drives us to embody a gender other than the one assigned to us at birth. If we can't do that, they say, how can they believe us?

                                          But trans people shouldn't have to be philosophers and psychologists all wrapped up into one to have our experiences believed. 1/

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                                          #39

                                          @Tattie

                                          Ask them if they can read. They should read 'Bitch' by Lucy Cooke, a modern zoologist, unlike the Victorian pseudo-scientists revered by the out of touch British Government and obsolete 'supreme' court.

                                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Cooke

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