Some after coffee thoughts on the collapse of U.S. - Canada trade talks.
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@PaulBusch I know I sound like a broken record at this point but a) turn off their power b) nationalize our oil (and energy is general) and c) wait 24 hrs. There’s no point in negotiating in good faith with a neighbour that has already shown they disregard their contracts at a moments notice. SHOW them that we mean business, and in the words of some clown I can’t remember at the moment “we hold all the cards”. When the lights go off in NY or CA they’ll be negotiating right quick.
@maverick604 @PaulBusch Shouldn't we be cautious with actions that might be interpreted as "acts of war"?
I would put nothing past the current US administration. I hope I am wrong. Everything they do backfires, but they keep making awful destructive choices. Because, really, it only hurts their nation, not the actual leadership. Emulating Putin and similar arrogant fools.
Fortunately, their military is a bit exhausted from stupidity in Iran. Still, they have other options for abuse. Renditions for every Canadian in the US? Revokation of all visas? What if they pressure US entertainment companies to cut of all distribution in Canada? What if they shut off access to the US Internet? etc. etc.
I am curious what we can tolerate, and what we will have to tolerate, before things get better.
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@PaulBusch and repeal the copyright extension that was part of CUSMA.
@hub @PaulBusch That would be fantastic... even if that copyright extension was maintained it could have been/can be implemented differently (optional renewals rather than automatic), in favour of more public access.
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@maverick604 @PaulBusch Shouldn't we be cautious with actions that might be interpreted as "acts of war"?
I would put nothing past the current US administration. I hope I am wrong. Everything they do backfires, but they keep making awful destructive choices. Because, really, it only hurts their nation, not the actual leadership. Emulating Putin and similar arrogant fools.
Fortunately, their military is a bit exhausted from stupidity in Iran. Still, they have other options for abuse. Renditions for every Canadian in the US? Revokation of all visas? What if they pressure US entertainment companies to cut of all distribution in Canada? What if they shut off access to the US Internet? etc. etc.
I am curious what we can tolerate, and what we will have to tolerate, before things get better.
While everything is possible, I think our government should respond and expect what is likely. Yes, Americans and the opposition government haven't really reacted aggressively to Trump's more moronic policies or statements (like invading Greenland) but even Trump's puppets know they can't go too far. Any extreme policy the U.S. implements in retaliation is likely to trigger a more vocal or violent civil disobedience, which Republicans will want to avoid.
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@PaulBusch Cory Doctorow (@pluralistic) proposed a brilliant retaliatory strategy by hitting the US where it really hurts — digital rights management. Here's his article on the topic via the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives: https://www.policyalternatives.ca/news-research/what-if-canada-stopped-upholding-u-s-tech-companies-intellectual-property/ #cdnpoli #tariffs
@cjmoorehead @PaulBusch @pluralistic
Gee, I am an American citizen and all I can say is:
Throw me in that briar patch!!
( TCP/IP does not respect international borders. What are they gonna do, sue me? )
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@hub @PaulBusch That would be fantastic... even if that copyright extension was maintained it could have been/can be implemented differently (optional renewals rather than automatic), in favour of more public access.
@owlyph @PaulBusch Also they should repeal the part of the copyright act that preempt Canadian rights with DRM. That section, put up by Harper, was to placate the US tech.
Make Canada the capital if phone unlock and compatible ink cartridges.
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@owlyph @PaulBusch Also they should repeal the part of the copyright act that preempt Canadian rights with DRM. That section, put up by Harper, was to placate the US tech.
Make Canada the capital if phone unlock and compatible ink cartridges.
@hub louder for those in the back!!!
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The reference to the "last minute changes in the U.S. proposed terms" is typical Trump. He talked about the tactic in his book, Art of the Deal (that he didn't write), where you get close to a deal and then throw something outrageous onto the table. His deals are not good for both sides, standard practice for achieving stable longterm partnerships, but must be an overwhelming win. He has to dominate the partner in order to feel he is winning. Canada was never going to get a fair deal.
Apparently this was the "last minute demand".
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Thinking about retaliation. Applying reciprocal #Tariffs is the stated next step. That will raise prices for us and makes it more important than ever to #BuyCanadian. Our government needs to work on a strict labeling law that makes it easy to identify Canadian products, and stop importers from #MapleWashing their goods. Push that legislation through immediately.
@PaulBusch And there have to be fines for mislabeling. All supermarkets in my town constantly mislabel produce that is really from the US.
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The reference to the "last minute changes in the U.S. proposed terms" is typical Trump. He talked about the tactic in his book, Art of the Deal (that he didn't write), where you get close to a deal and then throw something outrageous onto the table. His deals are not good for both sides, standard practice for achieving stable longterm partnerships, but must be an overwhelming win. He has to dominate the partner in order to feel he is winning. Canada was never going to get a fair deal.
@PaulBusch see? A lot of us knew he was a dick 50 years ago.
Sorry.
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@PaulBusch see? A lot of us knew he was a dick 50 years ago.
Sorry.
No need to apologize about facts...
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Thinking about retaliation. Applying reciprocal #Tariffs is the stated next step. That will raise prices for us and makes it more important than ever to #BuyCanadian. Our government needs to work on a strict labeling law that makes it easy to identify Canadian products, and stop importers from #MapleWashing their goods. Push that legislation through immediately.
@PaulBusch it’s a terrible thing to say but the recent fires in BC will drive demand for BC forestry products that will be hard hit in the trade war. A great nation building project would be the rebuilding of the communities destroyed fire.
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The reference to the "last minute changes in the U.S. proposed terms" is typical Trump. He talked about the tactic in his book, Art of the Deal (that he didn't write), where you get close to a deal and then throw something outrageous onto the table. His deals are not good for both sides, standard practice for achieving stable longterm partnerships, but must be an overwhelming win. He has to dominate the partner in order to feel he is winning. Canada was never going to get a fair deal.
@PaulBusch
On the other hand, he might be single-handedly destroying the neo-liberal hegemony promulgated by the USTR for 50 years off the map. So there’s that. -
@PaulBusch Cory Doctorow (@pluralistic) proposed a brilliant retaliatory strategy by hitting the US where it really hurts — digital rights management. Here's his article on the topic via the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives: https://www.policyalternatives.ca/news-research/what-if-canada-stopped-upholding-u-s-tech-companies-intellectual-property/ #cdnpoli #tariffs
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Thinking about retaliation. Applying reciprocal #Tariffs is the stated next step. That will raise prices for us and makes it more important than ever to #BuyCanadian. Our government needs to work on a strict labeling law that makes it easy to identify Canadian products, and stop importers from #MapleWashing their goods. Push that legislation through immediately.
The tit-for-tat tariff thing makes no sense to me.
“You raised the price your people pay for our products so … we’re gonna raise the price our people pay for *your* stuff! Ha! Gotcha! #ThereIFixedItEh.”
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@PaulBusch Cory Doctorow (@pluralistic) proposed a brilliant retaliatory strategy by hitting the US where it really hurts — digital rights management. Here's his article on the topic via the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives: https://www.policyalternatives.ca/news-research/what-if-canada-stopped-upholding-u-s-tech-companies-intellectual-property/ #cdnpoli #tariffs
@cjmoorehead @oldredsubby @PaulBusch @pluralistic Please do. US tech steals everything.
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The tit-for-tat tariff thing makes no sense to me.
“You raised the price your people pay for our products so … we’re gonna raise the price our people pay for *your* stuff! Ha! Gotcha! #ThereIFixedItEh.”
In general, I agree. But as @RantingCanuck points out, it can be done strategically where Canadians are impacted less, and encouraged to #BuyCanadian.
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Other legislation that should be passed immediately is the Digital Services Tax, legislation that was canceled in order to foster good relations in the trade talks. That sure worked. Pass it immediately and make U.S. tech pay taxes in Canada for profits made from servicing Canadians.
There should also be increased export duties on anything the U.S. still needs - aluminum, oil, electric power, potash, etc. Build a fund from these taxes and use it to support other industries with fewer options.@PaulBusch a new digital services tax would be an escalation unless it was done simultaneously with the US. It would be quite bad for a lot of Canadian jobs.
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@PaulBusch Cory Doctorow (@pluralistic) proposed a brilliant retaliatory strategy by hitting the US where it really hurts — digital rights management. Here's his article on the topic via the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives: https://www.policyalternatives.ca/news-research/what-if-canada-stopped-upholding-u-s-tech-companies-intellectual-property/ #cdnpoli #tariffs
@cjmoorehead @PaulBusch @pluralistic https://www.iprdaily.com/article/index/18262.html while it could be effective, it’s an escalation.
Arguably the US is hurt by their current respect for the IP system, even the big multinationals. https://www.iprdaily.com/article/index/18262.html is an example showing h.266 is majority owned by patents of China companies.
The US backing out of TPP left many IP protection laws as needing to be done bilaterally, and I’m not sure how much has been done since CPTPP excluded them. -
@PaulBusch Cory Doctorow (@pluralistic) proposed a brilliant retaliatory strategy by hitting the US where it really hurts — digital rights management. Here's his article on the topic via the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives: https://www.policyalternatives.ca/news-research/what-if-canada-stopped-upholding-u-s-tech-companies-intellectual-property/ #cdnpoli #tariffs
@cjmoorehead @PaulBusch @pluralistic
I like this approach.
Then again, it would pretty much be an open declaration of economic war.
That said again, Trump has pretty much made that declaration already. Now it's just seeing who will back down on what to keep the status quo as long as possible beforehand.
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Thinking about retaliation. Applying reciprocal #Tariffs is the stated next step. That will raise prices for us and makes it more important than ever to #BuyCanadian. Our government needs to work on a strict labeling law that makes it easy to identify Canadian products, and stop importers from #MapleWashing their goods. Push that legislation through immediately.
@PaulBusch I think strategically applying them is good, especially if we can promote interprovincial trade to replace the US product or if we have an other reasonable trading partner where we can substitute their product, so Mexican produce in the winter instead of US product.
