Some after coffee thoughts on the collapse of U.S. - Canada trade talks.
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The reference to the "last minute changes in the U.S. proposed terms" is typical Trump. He talked about the tactic in his book, Art of the Deal (that he didn't write), where you get close to a deal and then throw something outrageous onto the table. His deals are not good for both sides, standard practice for achieving stable longterm partnerships, but must be an overwhelming win. He has to dominate the partner in order to feel he is winning. Canada was never going to get a fair deal.
Apparently this was the "last minute demand".
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Thinking about retaliation. Applying reciprocal #Tariffs is the stated next step. That will raise prices for us and makes it more important than ever to #BuyCanadian. Our government needs to work on a strict labeling law that makes it easy to identify Canadian products, and stop importers from #MapleWashing their goods. Push that legislation through immediately.
@PaulBusch And there have to be fines for mislabeling. All supermarkets in my town constantly mislabel produce that is really from the US.
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The reference to the "last minute changes in the U.S. proposed terms" is typical Trump. He talked about the tactic in his book, Art of the Deal (that he didn't write), where you get close to a deal and then throw something outrageous onto the table. His deals are not good for both sides, standard practice for achieving stable longterm partnerships, but must be an overwhelming win. He has to dominate the partner in order to feel he is winning. Canada was never going to get a fair deal.
@PaulBusch see? A lot of us knew he was a dick 50 years ago.
Sorry.
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@PaulBusch see? A lot of us knew he was a dick 50 years ago.
Sorry.
No need to apologize about facts...
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Thinking about retaliation. Applying reciprocal #Tariffs is the stated next step. That will raise prices for us and makes it more important than ever to #BuyCanadian. Our government needs to work on a strict labeling law that makes it easy to identify Canadian products, and stop importers from #MapleWashing their goods. Push that legislation through immediately.
@PaulBusch it’s a terrible thing to say but the recent fires in BC will drive demand for BC forestry products that will be hard hit in the trade war. A great nation building project would be the rebuilding of the communities destroyed fire.
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The reference to the "last minute changes in the U.S. proposed terms" is typical Trump. He talked about the tactic in his book, Art of the Deal (that he didn't write), where you get close to a deal and then throw something outrageous onto the table. His deals are not good for both sides, standard practice for achieving stable longterm partnerships, but must be an overwhelming win. He has to dominate the partner in order to feel he is winning. Canada was never going to get a fair deal.
@PaulBusch
On the other hand, he might be single-handedly destroying the neo-liberal hegemony promulgated by the USTR for 50 years off the map. So there’s that. -
@PaulBusch Cory Doctorow (@pluralistic) proposed a brilliant retaliatory strategy by hitting the US where it really hurts — digital rights management. Here's his article on the topic via the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives: https://www.policyalternatives.ca/news-research/what-if-canada-stopped-upholding-u-s-tech-companies-intellectual-property/ #cdnpoli #tariffs
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Thinking about retaliation. Applying reciprocal #Tariffs is the stated next step. That will raise prices for us and makes it more important than ever to #BuyCanadian. Our government needs to work on a strict labeling law that makes it easy to identify Canadian products, and stop importers from #MapleWashing their goods. Push that legislation through immediately.
The tit-for-tat tariff thing makes no sense to me.
“You raised the price your people pay for our products so … we’re gonna raise the price our people pay for *your* stuff! Ha! Gotcha! #ThereIFixedItEh.”
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@PaulBusch Cory Doctorow (@pluralistic) proposed a brilliant retaliatory strategy by hitting the US where it really hurts — digital rights management. Here's his article on the topic via the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives: https://www.policyalternatives.ca/news-research/what-if-canada-stopped-upholding-u-s-tech-companies-intellectual-property/ #cdnpoli #tariffs
@cjmoorehead @oldredsubby @PaulBusch @pluralistic Please do. US tech steals everything.
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The tit-for-tat tariff thing makes no sense to me.
“You raised the price your people pay for our products so … we’re gonna raise the price our people pay for *your* stuff! Ha! Gotcha! #ThereIFixedItEh.”
In general, I agree. But as @RantingCanuck points out, it can be done strategically where Canadians are impacted less, and encouraged to #BuyCanadian.
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Other legislation that should be passed immediately is the Digital Services Tax, legislation that was canceled in order to foster good relations in the trade talks. That sure worked. Pass it immediately and make U.S. tech pay taxes in Canada for profits made from servicing Canadians.
There should also be increased export duties on anything the U.S. still needs - aluminum, oil, electric power, potash, etc. Build a fund from these taxes and use it to support other industries with fewer options.@PaulBusch a new digital services tax would be an escalation unless it was done simultaneously with the US. It would be quite bad for a lot of Canadian jobs.
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@PaulBusch Cory Doctorow (@pluralistic) proposed a brilliant retaliatory strategy by hitting the US where it really hurts — digital rights management. Here's his article on the topic via the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives: https://www.policyalternatives.ca/news-research/what-if-canada-stopped-upholding-u-s-tech-companies-intellectual-property/ #cdnpoli #tariffs
@cjmoorehead @PaulBusch @pluralistic https://www.iprdaily.com/article/index/18262.html while it could be effective, it’s an escalation.
Arguably the US is hurt by their current respect for the IP system, even the big multinationals. https://www.iprdaily.com/article/index/18262.html is an example showing h.266 is majority owned by patents of China companies.
The US backing out of TPP left many IP protection laws as needing to be done bilaterally, and I’m not sure how much has been done since CPTPP excluded them. -
@PaulBusch Cory Doctorow (@pluralistic) proposed a brilliant retaliatory strategy by hitting the US where it really hurts — digital rights management. Here's his article on the topic via the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives: https://www.policyalternatives.ca/news-research/what-if-canada-stopped-upholding-u-s-tech-companies-intellectual-property/ #cdnpoli #tariffs
@cjmoorehead @PaulBusch @pluralistic
I like this approach.
Then again, it would pretty much be an open declaration of economic war.
That said again, Trump has pretty much made that declaration already. Now it's just seeing who will back down on what to keep the status quo as long as possible beforehand.
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Thinking about retaliation. Applying reciprocal #Tariffs is the stated next step. That will raise prices for us and makes it more important than ever to #BuyCanadian. Our government needs to work on a strict labeling law that makes it easy to identify Canadian products, and stop importers from #MapleWashing their goods. Push that legislation through immediately.
@PaulBusch I think strategically applying them is good, especially if we can promote interprovincial trade to replace the US product or if we have an other reasonable trading partner where we can substitute their product, so Mexican produce in the winter instead of US product.
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@maverick604 @PaulBusch Shouldn't we be cautious with actions that might be interpreted as "acts of war"?
I would put nothing past the current US administration. I hope I am wrong. Everything they do backfires, but they keep making awful destructive choices. Because, really, it only hurts their nation, not the actual leadership. Emulating Putin and similar arrogant fools.
Fortunately, their military is a bit exhausted from stupidity in Iran. Still, they have other options for abuse. Renditions for every Canadian in the US? Revokation of all visas? What if they pressure US entertainment companies to cut of all distribution in Canada? What if they shut off access to the US Internet? etc. etc.
I am curious what we can tolerate, and what we will have to tolerate, before things get better.
@8r3n7 @PaulBusch Tariff war is war. Economic war is war. The “acts of war” started with America reneging on the deal that was already in place, that orange TACO negotiated in the first place. Canada needs to see these “negotiations” for what they are – an attempt to weaken us so that we can be swallowed up easier later. In my opinion Canada is much better served by facing the challenge head-on. Carney absolutely did the right thing. (1/2)
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@8r3n7 @PaulBusch Tariff war is war. Economic war is war. The “acts of war” started with America reneging on the deal that was already in place, that orange TACO negotiated in the first place. Canada needs to see these “negotiations” for what they are – an attempt to weaken us so that we can be swallowed up easier later. In my opinion Canada is much better served by facing the challenge head-on. Carney absolutely did the right thing. (1/2)
Now instead of sitting back and letting the USA dictate all the terms we need to lean into our advantages and press them. You don’t win the game keeping your best player on the bench. (2/2)
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No need to apologize about facts...
@PaulBusch that's more the "sorry" like when your dog shits on a friend's carpet right after you showed up for a party.
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@PaulBusch Cory Doctorow (@pluralistic) proposed a brilliant retaliatory strategy by hitting the US where it really hurts — digital rights management. Here's his article on the topic via the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives: https://www.policyalternatives.ca/news-research/what-if-canada-stopped-upholding-u-s-tech-companies-intellectual-property/ #cdnpoli #tariffs
@cjmoorehead @PaulBusch @pluralistic I have zero background on these topics, but my intuition is that if it was easy to create and distribute such jailbreaking software it would already abound.
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@cjmoorehead @PaulBusch @pluralistic I have zero background on these topics, but my intuition is that if it was easy to create and distribute such jailbreaking software it would already abound.
@Steve_Lindsay @cjmoorehead @PaulBusch they are routinely invented, by teenagers no less, but because they are a felony (also why they are primarily released by teenagers), they immediately disappear.
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