I was about to Have Opinions about the threats the US is making to Greenland, Denmark and Europe, then realised I have nothing useful to add, so I pressed Delete.
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@CiaraNi @hanscees Sorry for being boring, but just felt like writing this: (And you probably know this already, but others might not.)
Personally I use the term "umlaut" only to describe the phenomenon in German and Swedish (and possibly other Germanic languages) where the spelling of a word changes when it is inflected in plural so that to an "a" or "o" the two dots are added. Like "Apfel" (apple) (singular) -> "Äpfel" (apples) (plural), or in Swedish "man" (man) -> "män" (men).
But not all instances of ä or ö in German or Swedish are umlauts. For instance "Käse" (cheese) in German or kärna (kernel) in Swedish are not plural, and are not some other inflection either of a corresponding word without the dots. There is no corresponding word "Kase" or "karna".
And let's not forget that sometimes what looks like an umlaut is actually a diaeresis.
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It upsets me that there are no umlauts in the word umlaut
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One of my many cheeky pleasures is to deliberately pronounce the umlauts in the band name "Mötley Crüe". -
It upsets me that there are no umlauts in the word umlaut
@CiaraNi I'm studying an 18th century German musician named Friedrich Dulon. I'm monolingual, and the U in his name has one, and I have no idea what it means for pronunciation.
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It upsets me that there are no umlauts in the word umlaut
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I was about to Have Opinions about the threats the US is making to Greenland, Denmark and Europe, then realised I have nothing useful to add, so I pressed Delete. Instead, here's a picture I took of a bridge because it had splendid umlauts.
@CiaraNi Me, too, regarding "nothing useful to add" — no matter how horrified I am.
Very cool umlauts!
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It upsets me that there are no umlauts in the word umlaut
@CiaraNi Nor in the French ë/ï/ü – the trema (l’accent tréma)
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And let's not forget that sometimes what looks like an umlaut is actually a diaeresis.
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It upsets me that there are no umlauts in the word umlaut
It would be impossible to type on a US keyboard, not to talk about the crime known as 7-bit ASCII.
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cedilla would like a word.@id1om I would like to have a word with these diacriticless diacritics
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@CiaraNi I'm studying an 18th century German musician named Friedrich Dulon. I'm monolingual, and the U in his name has one, and I have no idea what it means for pronunciation.
@ChristineMalec My school German hangs on in snippets, but the pronunciation difference with or without an umlaut is long gone from my brain, so I don't know either. Maybe somebody else can help us here.
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And let's not forget that sometimes what looks like an umlaut is actually a diaeresis.
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It upsets me that there are no umlauts in the word umlaut
@CiaraNi It really does seem like a severely missed opportunity.
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One of my many cheeky pleasures is to deliberately pronounce the umlauts in the band name "Mötley Crüe".@mlazz The kind of nice little pleasure that makes our personal worlds go around.
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@CiaraNi I'm studying an 18th century German musician named Friedrich Dulon. I'm monolingual, and the U in his name has one, and I have no idea what it means for pronunciation.
ü is a sound we don't have in English. To make it, say a long E sound (the sound in "leek" or "wheel") but with your lips rounded as if you were saying a u sound. It's hard; you'll have to overcome programs your brain learned when you were a toddler to make the inside of your mouth try to make the 'e' sound while your lips are trying to make the 'u' sound. That combination makes the ü.
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@CiaraNi Me, too, regarding "nothing useful to add" — no matter how horrified I am.
Very cool umlauts!
@jeridansky It's all awful and exhausting. Thank Odin for nice umlauts and colourful dahlias and lovely lichen
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@ChristineMalec My school German hangs on in snippets, but the pronunciation difference with or without an umlaut is long gone from my brain, so I don't know either. Maybe somebody else can help us here.
@CiaraNi @ChristineMalec If you vocalize the English letter "e" and don't change anything about the position of your teeth and tongue BUT narrow your lips as though vocalizing an "ooo" sound at the same time, you'll come extremely close to the German pronunciation of the "ü."
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@ChristineMalec My school German hangs on in snippets, but the pronunciation difference with or without an umlaut is long gone from my brain, so I don't know either. Maybe somebody else can help us here.
@CiaraNi @ChristineMalec The ü is pronounced like y in Danish. In my experience as a teacher of Danish to foreigners native English speakers find it hard to pronounce at first but basically just start saying eeee and then round your lips and the sound then changes to y. Don't change anything else in or around your mouth, just the lips.
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@CiaraNi I'm studying an 18th century German musician named Friedrich Dulon. I'm monolingual, and the U in his name has one, and I have no idea what it means for pronunciation.
@ChristineMalec May I ask, does this ‘single umlaut’ appear in handwriting? As in Dúlon (or at least looking similar to that)?
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