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  3. If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for.

If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for.

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  • barubary@infosec.exchangeB barubary@infosec.exchange

    @phaedral @evacide Found this in a header:

    REPORTER'S RECORD
    TRIAL COURT CAUSE NO. 2020-05505-A

    KARYN LAAKE, INDIVIDUALLY
    AND AS REPRESENTATIVE OF
    THE ESTATE OF CATHERINE
    LAAKE, DECEASED,
    et al.

    vs.

    3M COMPANY

    IN THE DISTRICT COURT
    HARRIS COUNTY, TEXAS
    11TH JUDICIAL DISTRICT

    Is that what you're looking for?

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    #16

    @barubary @evacide Thank you, that should do.me!

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    • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

      If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

      https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

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      #17

      @evacide

      How long before someone is exposed as using AI to present themselves as an expert witness in detecting AI use in expert testimony? 🤪

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      • I isol@mastodon.au

        @evacide

        How long before someone is exposed as using AI to present themselves as an expert witness in detecting AI use in expert testimony? 🤪

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        #18

        @isol @evacide

        Takes one to know one, amirite?

        (No, he was not right)

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        • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

          If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

          https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

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          #19

          @evacide That is really interesting

          I read to the end, and changed my opinion as I did

          The use of Gen AI was not unreasonable IMO so long as the "expert" is expert and stands behind the conclusion.

          Writing these it is important to disclose the use of gen AI and be transparent with your process.

          Using gen AI to search, collate and organize information is reasonable for an expert in the field

          A non expert can be exposed with examination and gen AI will not help hide ignorance for long

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            #20

            @Cassandra_Complex That is not at all what this story is about.

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            • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

              If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

              https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

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              #21

              @evacide "...and how my background and experience is well suited to render this professional opinion.”

              Except that it's CrapGPT's opinion, not yours, ya ham-brained bastard! 🙄

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              • darryl_ramm@hachyderm.ioD darryl_ramm@hachyderm.io

                @evacide

                KnightHawk Engineering, all parrot no hawk.

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                #22

                @darryl_ramm @evacide all night, no khawk 😂

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                • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                  If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

                  https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

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                  #23

                  @evacide

                  Expert witness drafts are no longer subject to discovery in US federal court.

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                  • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                    If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

                    https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

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                    #24

                    @evacide I am a bit confused - what *was* the connection between 3M and Watson Grinding?

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                    • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                      If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

                      https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

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                      #25

                      @evacide

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                      • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                        If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

                        https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

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                        #26

                        @evacide
                        If you *were* an expert witness, ...

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                        • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                          If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

                          https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

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                          #27

                          @evacide conversely, if your a scumbag expert witness working for some mega corp please continue to use ChatGPT or other llms, tyia

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                          • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                            If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

                            https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

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                            #28

                            Damien Charlotin: AI Evidence Cases

                            https://www.damiencharlotin.com/ai-evidence/

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                            • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                              If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

                              https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

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                              #29

                              @evacide

                              I don't remember seeing this in the news.

                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Houston_explosion

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                              • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                                If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

                                https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

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                                #30

                                @evacide This awful future demands that we return to a system of punishments from prehistory. No, not stoning and burning, those are perversions of so-called civilization.

                                I mean shunning, exile.

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                                • jameshowell@fediscience.orgJ jameshowell@fediscience.org

                                  @evacide This awful future demands that we return to a system of punishments from prehistory. No, not stoning and burning, those are perversions of so-called civilization.

                                  I mean shunning, exile.

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                                  #31

                                  @jameshowell @evacide

                                  Oh, I think it’s already happening. You remember the graduating college student reaction to commencement speakers glazing AI?

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                                  • ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai

                                    @jameshowell @evacide

                                    Oh, I think it’s already happening. You remember the graduating college student reaction to commencement speakers glazing AI?

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                                    #32

                                    @GhostOnTheHalfShell @evacide I was thinking more like for the global criminals. Musk: it would be a terrible mistake to guillotine him. Morally wrong, but also not a just or poetic punishment. Just take away every cent, all his power, and send him out into the world alone. Literally nobody would speak to him. I can guarantee you today there would be no more offspring

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                                    • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                                      If you are an expert witness, do not use ChatGPT to write the report you are charging $475/hour for. All of your chat prompts are subpoenable and we are all going to laugh so hard.

                                      https://www.404media.co/show-how-3m-is-0-at-fault-expert-witness-used-chatgpt-to-write-report-defending-company-in-deadly-explosion-lawsuit/

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                                      #33

                                      @evacide “Moye [attorney for plaintiff(s)] added that many of the prompts took place the night before Autenrieth was deposed as an expert witness.”

                                      Incredible.

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                                      • jameshowell@fediscience.orgJ jameshowell@fediscience.org

                                        @GhostOnTheHalfShell @evacide I was thinking more like for the global criminals. Musk: it would be a terrible mistake to guillotine him. Morally wrong, but also not a just or poetic punishment. Just take away every cent, all his power, and send him out into the world alone. Literally nobody would speak to him. I can guarantee you today there would be no more offspring

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                                        #34

                                        @jameshowell @evacide

                                        I think I’m way ahead of you, buddy. 🙂 my idea is to take all of them, pack them off to a desert island with no connectivity whatsoever. You can choose to provide them enough food and what not or maybe just a little bit too little doesn’t really matter, but they will be left on their own, without any money or attention or influence, and they can spend all of their time working each other’s nerves and figuring out who’s going to dominate who.

                                        Or solitary for life

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                                        • penguin42@mastodon.org.ukP penguin42@mastodon.org.uk

                                          @evacide I am a bit confused - what *was* the connection between 3M and Watson Grinding?

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                                          #35

                                          @penguin42 @evacide

                                          Watson Grinding is kinda famous: a thriller-movie explosion. A worn out hose allowed propylene gas to fill a workspace overnight.

                                          Boom. Truly horrific explosion. Killed three. The whole operation was sloppy.

                                          But 3M had a gas detection system which failed.

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