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  • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

    do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

    my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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    #34

    @b0rk I don't believe to have a favourite. Yet, due to the rule (rather 'tip') "'Select' Isn't Broken", select(2) and the corresponding story behind the tip from the book "Pragmatic Programmer" comes to my mind 🙂

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    • derickr@phpc.socialD derickr@phpc.social

      @b0rk I do like it too, even thought it makes the man page 7195 lines long 😃 .

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      #35

      @derickr @b0rk

      ❤ It's searchable.

      That makes it alright. 😄

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      • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

        do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

        my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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        #36

        @b0rk my favourite was an early version of less(1), whose one-line synopsis was:

        less - better than more(1)

        Which it was, because you could go _backwards_... that was the first program I ever compiled from downloaded source.

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        • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

          do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

          my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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          #37

          I think my favourite man page example so far is this rsync man page (via @shnizmuffin) https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/rsync.1.html

          it gives examples BEFORE giving an exhaustive list of options!

          the synopsis just says "rsync [OPTION...] SRC... [DEST]" instead of giving you an exhaustive list of options like "-ABCFGHILOPRSTUWabcdefghiklmnopqrstuvwxy1%"!

          there's an "OPTION SUMMARY" section that gives you a 1-line summary of each option! (this feels SO SO much useful than the normal SYNOPSIS to me)

          (2/?)

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          • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

            do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

            my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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            #38

            @b0rk it's also my favourite hairstyle

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            • pounce@types.plP pounce@types.pl

              @b0rk i always think hier(7) is really neat

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              #39

              @pounce that's cool, I'd never seen that

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              • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                @shnizmuffin what do you like about it? (also: you mean this one right? https://linux.die.net/man/1/rsync)

                i like that it takes a different approach to the SYNOPSIS and puts examples before the comprehensive list of all options, I haven't seen that a lot

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                #40

                @b0rk It leads with examples from most common to least common, and sorts its many options following similar logic.

                It's basically ...

                1. WTF am I looking at. (--verbose et al)
                2. Sensible defaults (--archive)
                3. How do I change one thing (--no-OPTION)
                4. Filepath stuff
                5. Link stuff
                6. Permission stuff
                7. File metadata stuff
                8. Config stuff
                9. Filter stuff
                10. Shit one person needed once
                11. --human-readable
                12. please don't run forever
                13. --version, --help

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                • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                  I think my favourite man page example so far is this rsync man page (via @shnizmuffin) https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/rsync.1.html

                  it gives examples BEFORE giving an exhaustive list of options!

                  the synopsis just says "rsync [OPTION...] SRC... [DEST]" instead of giving you an exhaustive list of options like "-ABCFGHILOPRSTUWabcdefghiklmnopqrstuvwxy1%"!

                  there's an "OPTION SUMMARY" section that gives you a 1-line summary of each option! (this feels SO SO much useful than the normal SYNOPSIS to me)

                  (2/?)

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                  #41

                  @b0rk @shnizmuffin if something needs a solid man page, it's probably rsync. 😄

                  Destroyer of files.
                  With great power comes great responsibility.

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                  • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                    do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

                    my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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                    #42

                    @b0rk@jvns.ca i often work offline, so i like long and elaborate man pages that go into every absurd detail but also note in-program help mechanisms

                    • nvim because it provides a jump start to :Tutor and :help quickref
                    • zshall because it explains All the syntax
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                    • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                      do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

                      my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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                      #43

                      @b0rk In the attention to detail category, the BUG detailed in the NetBSD sleep(1) man page is a favourite:

                      https://man.netbsd.org/sleep.1#BUGS

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                      • shnizmuffin@toots.inbutts.lolS shnizmuffin@toots.inbutts.lol

                        @b0rk It leads with examples from most common to least common, and sorts its many options following similar logic.

                        It's basically ...

                        1. WTF am I looking at. (--verbose et al)
                        2. Sensible defaults (--archive)
                        3. How do I change one thing (--no-OPTION)
                        4. Filepath stuff
                        5. Link stuff
                        6. Permission stuff
                        7. File metadata stuff
                        8. Config stuff
                        9. Filter stuff
                        10. Shit one person needed once
                        11. --human-readable
                        12. please don't run forever
                        13. --version, --help

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                        #44

                        @shnizmuffin i didn’t even notice the option sorting, that’s so good

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                        • ludonaut@timetheft.socialL ludonaut@timetheft.social

                          @thomastc @b0rk glad to help 🙂

                          i regularly use that page to show the young ones at work why ^H (Ctrl-H) is backspace, ^I is tab and ^[ is literally escape, it's just a flipped bit in ascii (which i suspect is the reason the columns are laid out like that)

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                          #45

                          @ludonaut @thomastc @b0rk Is my memory making up things, or did there used to be an ebcdic(7) page as well at some time?

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                          • pounce@types.plP pounce@types.pl

                            @b0rk i always think hier(7) is really neat

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                            #46

                            @pounce Oooooh, today I learned! @b0rk

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                            • nabnux@piaille.frN nabnux@piaille.fr

                              @b0rk the one I've used the most is `man bash`, because it's not just a man page, it's the documentation for the whole scripting language!

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                              #47

                              @nabnux @b0rk many years ago I was told to read man bash. I referenced it many more times over the years. Mostly when scripting loops.

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                              • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                                @thatandromeda I have a hard time with them too, that's why I've been thinking about this

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                                #48

                                @b0rk @thatandromeda Often I pipe the output of `man` into `less`, then try to search for something like -n, which returns way too many results (e.g. mentions of that option before its definition). I wonder if a better `man` could be made that would let me search through an *index* of options instead of doing a full-text search.

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                                • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                                  do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

                                  my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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                                  #49

                                  @b0rk Why were example usages shunned by many man pages I'll never understand.

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                                  • technicaladept@techhub.socialT technicaladept@techhub.social

                                    @nabnux @b0rk many years ago I was told to read man bash. I referenced it many more times over the years. Mostly when scripting loops.

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                                    #50

                                    @technicaladept @nabnux i think for bash specifically I might prefer to use the html bash reference manual to reference the docs https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bash.html (which I believe has the same content but with better formatting)

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                                    • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                                      I think my favourite man page example so far is this rsync man page (via @shnizmuffin) https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/rsync.1.html

                                      it gives examples BEFORE giving an exhaustive list of options!

                                      the synopsis just says "rsync [OPTION...] SRC... [DEST]" instead of giving you an exhaustive list of options like "-ABCFGHILOPRSTUWabcdefghiklmnopqrstuvwxy1%"!

                                      there's an "OPTION SUMMARY" section that gives you a 1-line summary of each option! (this feels SO SO much useful than the normal SYNOPSIS to me)

                                      (2/?)

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                                      #51

                                      @b0rk Special shout out to the official web address, since it's got hyperlinks on all the options:

                                      https://download.samba.org/pub/rsync/rsync.1

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                                      • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                                        I think my favourite man page example so far is this rsync man page (via @shnizmuffin) https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/rsync.1.html

                                        it gives examples BEFORE giving an exhaustive list of options!

                                        the synopsis just says "rsync [OPTION...] SRC... [DEST]" instead of giving you an exhaustive list of options like "-ABCFGHILOPRSTUWabcdefghiklmnopqrstuvwxy1%"!

                                        there's an "OPTION SUMMARY" section that gives you a 1-line summary of each option! (this feels SO SO much useful than the normal SYNOPSIS to me)

                                        (2/?)

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                                        #52

                                        @b0rk @shnizmuffin Count on Apple to f*ck things up:

                                        NAME
                                        openrsync – synchronise local and remote files

                                        SYNOPSIS
                                        openrsync [-0468BCDEFHILOPRSTWVabcdefghiklmnopqrtuvxyz] [-e program]
                                        [-f filter] [--address=sourceaddr] [--append]
                                        [--backup-dir=directory] [--bwlimit=limit]
                                        [--cache | --no-cache] [--

                                        etc.

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                                        • b0rk@social.jvns.caB b0rk@social.jvns.ca

                                          do you have a favourite man page? thinking of writing a short blog post exploring man pages and what makes a good one and I'd love some more examples

                                          my contribution: I think it's cool that `man curl` includes an example for every single option

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                                          #53

                                          @b0rk

                                          false (8) is my favourite

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