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  • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

    No, in case you wonder, we haven't changed our minds.

    #AI #browser #technology #Google

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    #53

    @Vivaldi good choice but the statement honestly looks like something AI would construct to post on LinkedIn 😊

    My suggested alternative is "No AI. None"

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    • csolisr@hub.azkware.netC csolisr@hub.azkware.net
      I'd probably switch to you as soon as you stopped being proprietary software. Can't trust your browser to not be leaking data elsewhere until we can get proper source code to analyze it
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      #54

      @csolisr
      https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser-open-source/

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      • skwerlgyrl@hear-me.socialS skwerlgyrl@hear-me.social

        @Catweazle @Petesmom @Vivaldi

        Startpage was my choice and it works great with Vivaldi 8.0.

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        #55

        @Skwerlgyrl @Catweazle @Petesmom @Vivaldi
        European?

        Startpage uses Google as their source including their mandatory ranking.

        If you want European the only choice is @Mojeek .

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        • marc_eu@veganism.socialM marc_eu@veganism.social

          @Skwerlgyrl @Catweazle @Petesmom @Vivaldi
          European?

          Startpage uses Google as their source including their mandatory ranking.

          If you want European the only choice is @Mojeek .

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          #56

          @marc_eu @Skwerlgyrl @Petesmom @Vivaldi @Mojeek

          Yes, Startpage use the Google index, but not its sniffing, tracking nor logs and no AI, all behind proxy. I use it mostly for image search with better results as with others.
          It's from the Netherlands.

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          • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

            No, in case you wonder, we haven't changed our minds.

            #AI #browser #technology #Google

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            #57

            @Vivaldi
            Been using Vivaldi with Qwant search engine, seems to work ok. Please let me know if there's a problem with using Qwant as I'm not an expert and there's multiple choices out there.

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            • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

              @Vivaldi That's good to heard you won't cave into AI like the other browsers.

              What about my Vivaldi cat ear logo change? I think it would be a hit!! :3

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              #58

              @catsalad @Vivaldi add it as another customization!

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              • catweazle@social.vivaldi.netC catweazle@social.vivaldi.net

                @marc_eu @Skwerlgyrl @Petesmom @Vivaldi @Mojeek

                Yes, Startpage use the Google index, but not its sniffing, tracking nor logs and no AI, all behind proxy. I use it mostly for image search with better results as with others.
                It's from the Netherlands.

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                #59

                @Catweazle @Skwerlgyrl @Petesmom @Vivaldi @Mojeek
                Yes I know it’s, like myself, from The Netherlands.

                The algorithm of Google, which Startpage has to use, is for me untrustworthy.

                I personally use @kagihq

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                • petesmom@kolektiva.socialP petesmom@kolektiva.social

                  @Vivaldi
                  Please make noai.duckduckgo a default search engine choice. I have to manually switch DDG every time I use it.

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                  #60

                  @Petesmom +1

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                  • h0w25@hachyderm.ioH h0w25@hachyderm.io

                    @benroyce @YurkshireLad @Vivaldi That person just asked to change their browser engine to something other than Chromium. I don't agree at all, but it's an opinion, while you are attacking his opinion like we were on Twitter. We don't do that here, and yeah, I can block and mute you, as many people can and will do if you keep up this behavior. Welcome to the fediverse also, but stop being so toxic and telling people to just block/mute you. Be constructive and positive. Thanks.

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                    #61

                    @H0W25 @YurkshireLad @Vivaldi

                    i'm not blocking you, jimmyb, you're blocking me

                    if i recall our conversation which led to the rupture correctly, you were vomiting whataboutism that blames the west for russia invading ukraine

                    i called you out harshly for your lies, as you deserved

                    hilariously enough, that makes this "arrogant American Supremacist" more in line with average european sentiment than you

                    but i'm glad i made an impression

                    now stop making stupid excuses for kremlin imperialism

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                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                      @H0W25 @YurkshireLad @Vivaldi

                      i'm not blocking you, jimmyb, you're blocking me

                      if i recall our conversation which led to the rupture correctly, you were vomiting whataboutism that blames the west for russia invading ukraine

                      i called you out harshly for your lies, as you deserved

                      hilariously enough, that makes this "arrogant American Supremacist" more in line with average european sentiment than you

                      but i'm glad i made an impression

                      now stop making stupid excuses for kremlin imperialism

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                      #62

                      @benroyce @YurkshireLad @Vivaldi what?... you really crazy right now

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                      • h0w25@hachyderm.ioH h0w25@hachyderm.io

                        @benroyce @YurkshireLad @Vivaldi what?... you really crazy right now

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                        #63

                        @H0W25 @YurkshireLad @Vivaldi

                        yes, i am

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                        • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

                          No, in case you wonder, we haven't changed our minds.

                          #AI #browser #technology #Google

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                          #64

                          @Vivaldi I ditched Brave for Vivaldi last night. A peeve is that Vivaldi is missing the ALT+D shortcut to shift input focus to the address bar out of the box as other Chromium based browsers do, but that can be configured back in manually.

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                          • bms48@mastodon.socialB bms48@mastodon.social

                            @Vivaldi I ditched Brave for Vivaldi last night. A peeve is that Vivaldi is missing the ALT+D shortcut to shift input focus to the address bar out of the box as other Chromium based browsers do, but that can be configured back in manually.

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                            #65

                            @bms48 @Vivaldi
                            Standard Cmd-L. You can easily look that up
                            via Cmd-E.

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                            • marc_eu@veganism.socialM marc_eu@veganism.social

                              @bms48 @Vivaldi
                              Standard Cmd-L. You can easily look that up
                              via Cmd-E.

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                              #66

                              @marc_eu @Vivaldi You're missing the point, ALT+D is in muscle memory for myself and perhaps many other users.

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                              • vivaldi@social.vivaldi.netV vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net

                                No, in case you wonder, we haven't changed our minds.

                                #AI #browser #technology #Google

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                                #67

                                @Vivaldi@social.vivaldi.net Stop baiting users into using your proprietary Chromium fork with your CEO stanceslop and instead do something useful like release the source code zo your users can have freedom.

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                                • marc_eu@veganism.socialM marc_eu@veganism.social

                                  @Catweazle @Skwerlgyrl @Petesmom @Vivaldi @Mojeek
                                  Yes I know it’s, like myself, from The Netherlands.

                                  The algorithm of Google, which Startpage has to use, is for me untrustworthy.

                                  I personally use @kagihq

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                                  #68

                                  @marc_eu @Skwerlgyrl @Petesmom @Vivaldi @Mojeek @kagihq
                                  yes, Kagi is good, but in view of dozends of excelent search engines, I don't feel like using one that requires a registration and payment, with this it's no longer private.
                                  With those I use I find all what I want, enough to contrast results.

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                                  • catweazle@social.vivaldi.netC catweazle@social.vivaldi.net

                                    @marc_eu @Skwerlgyrl @Petesmom @Vivaldi @Mojeek @kagihq
                                    yes, Kagi is good, but in view of dozends of excelent search engines, I don't feel like using one that requires a registration and payment, with this it's no longer private.
                                    With those I use I find all what I want, enough to contrast results.

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                                    #69

                                    @Catweazle @Skwerlgyrl @Petesmom @Vivaldi @Mojeek @kagihq

                                    FYI: With Kagi you can pay with bitcoins, and registration doesn't require personal information.

                                    NB: Andi uses AI (...)

                                    #fuckai #noAI

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                                    • artharg@mastodon.nlA artharg@mastodon.nl

                                      @ahau @Vivaldi That is a fitting metaphor: AI as a big tidal wave.

                                      The proper response to big tidal waves is to seek higher ground and wait until the waters recede. Then you clean up the filth and debris that it has left everywhere and repair or rebuild what was damaged. In the end, you get to terms with the fact that some things and some people were irretrievably lost, and that some of the landscape has changed permanently.

                                      I’m quite sure that the current AI craze will go somewhat like that.

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                                      #70

                                      @ArtHarg @Vivaldi Ride the wave. Harness AI. It is not about computing. It is about understanding computer and everything else. There is no more barrier to any human knowledge. There is no such thing as "specialist". The AI era is like the 70s when I bought my first Apple IIe. It is like the 80s when I bought my first 80286 PC with only a 30M harddisk. It is like the 90s when I learned html and some Javascript. It is a learning experience, not just about AI, but everything else.

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                                      • nuintari@mastodon.bsd.cafeN nuintari@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                                        @Vivaldi Awesome, sure wish I could run Vivaldi on #FreeBSD.

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                                        #71

                                        @nuintari @Vivaldi Can't the Linuxolator be applied?

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                                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                          @petrichaos @YurkshireLad @Vivaldi

                                          it infects social media

                                          perfectionism, toxic idealism, purity

                                          as an entitled basis to complain about every. goddamn. thing.

                                          and always zero appreciation from these assholes shown, for the only thing we are ever going to get, from any entity in this world, on any topic:

                                          progress

                                          it's simply a basis for edgelord trolling on baseless malcontent

                                          or it's a personality disorder: stunt vibing ego masturbation

                                          it's a parasitical social interaction on us all

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                                          #72

                                          @benroyce @petrichaos @YurkshireLad @Vivaldi Such flawed attempts at dialectic on social media result only in the burden-of-argument tennis; see Schopenhauer. https://burdentennis.com/ PS <30 days to real actual Wimbledon with yellow balls.

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