Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research.
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@mrundkvist
Ahahahah, Kuopio is home to me!
The kalakukko grows on you!@dnavinci
I was confused to find a Wine Festival in full sway when I arrived.
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@dnavinci
I was confused to find a Wine Festival in full sway when I arrived.@mrundkvist
The first time I visited was also during that same festival!
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@benroyce
Yeah, cooking skill is linearly associated to what you can do with rye.
Fancy restaurants like MustaLammas base their entire menu around local forage and interesting things can you do with rye, caraway, and cardamom
@mrundkvist@benroyce
Og, and rye flatbread pizza regularly wins international competitions
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@benroyce
Yeah, cooking skill is linearly associated to what you can do with rye.
Fancy restaurants like MustaLammas base their entire menu around local forage and interesting things can you do with rye, caraway, and cardamom
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@mrundkvist
For any statement, it becomes untrue at a certain level of detail.
In Finland this model breaks down somewhere near Kuusamo, which... Makes sense if you've ever tried to travel there.
https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suomalaiset@dnavinci @mrundkvist the (mostly in the male line) ancestors of the Finns arrived several centuries later and wiped out the descendant of the Corded Ware people who had wiped out the Neolithic farmers who had wiped out the Mesolithic hunter gatherers so that makes, three replacement events?
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@dnavinci @mrundkvist the (mostly in the male line) ancestors of the Finns arrived several centuries later and wiped out the descendant of the Corded Ware people who had wiped out the Neolithic farmers who had wiped out the Mesolithic hunter gatherers so that makes, three replacement events?
@_hic_haec_hoc
Not many Neolithic farmers in Finland. But the hunter-gatherers who lived there before the Corded Ware didn't practise a kind of burial that left much to sample for DNA. -
@mrundkvist AKA Yamnani ?
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@mrundkvist AKA Yamnani ?
@DJHVII
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Celts are originally from Central Asia (last I heard anyway. I'm sure folks will let me know if there is newer news!)
@NilaJones @mrundkvist
Celts are complicated because it turns out to be more a culture (stretching from Northern Turkey to the Atlantic) than a DNA group. There connections in old names and old root words between Hindi & Irish and little connection between surviving Insular Celtic languages & Western European languages.
Romans particularly hated them (several long stories), so what Julius Caesar wrote is rather biased.
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Maybe not. But the plague is a zoonotic disease, a change in the rodent population can very effectively stop a plague wave. But we don't really know why and how a plague pandemic ends.
@jk @NatureMC @mrundkvist it seems the Black plague may have ended by people developing strong immune responses to the disease…
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@mrundkvist
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@raymaccarthy
Indeed, there have been many plague epidemics. But nothing like what cut off genetic continuity in the Middle Neolithic of Scandinavia, with the arrival of the Corded Ware.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corded_Ware_culture#Genetic_studies
@mrundkvist @raymaccarthy today I learned
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Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. Northern Europe was overrun by plague-spreading steppe nomads less than 5000 years ago, causing an almost complete population replacement.
It’s a 1492 event. Everybody knows that us Northern Europeans aren’t the original inhabitants of North America. But we aren’t even the original inhabitants of Northern Europe.
I'm curious if there's a connection between this and the Hittites' emigration from Europe...
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@datarama@hachyderm.io @raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie @mrundkvist@archaeo.social Natural selection hasn't gone away. And now "white" people are being replaced by people from countries where patriarchy still exists.
@paul @datarama @raymaccarthy @mrundkvist um, wild, but at least you seem to be making the argument that "white people" not as well adapted for survival as people from patriarchal countries (whatever that means).
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@NilaJones @mrundkvist
Celts are complicated because it turns out to be more a culture (stretching from Northern Turkey to the Atlantic) than a DNA group. There connections in old names and old root words between Hindi & Irish and little connection between surviving Insular Celtic languages & Western European languages.
Romans particularly hated them (several long stories), so what Julius Caesar wrote is rather biased.
The Irish "Book of Invasions" may not be totally fiction.I didn't know that about Hindi and Irish!
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Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. Northern Europe was overrun by plague-spreading steppe nomads less than 5000 years ago, causing an almost complete population replacement.
It’s a 1492 event. Everybody knows that us Northern Europeans aren’t the original inhabitants of North America. But we aren’t even the original inhabitants of Northern Europe.
@mrundkvist fascinating! Can you share links where we can learn more about this?
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Here’s a reminder about one of the most important results of the past fourteen years of ancient DNA research. Northern Europe was overrun by plague-spreading steppe nomads less than 5000 years ago, causing an almost complete population replacement.
It’s a 1492 event. Everybody knows that us Northern Europeans aren’t the original inhabitants of North America. But we aren’t even the original inhabitants of Northern Europe.
@mrundkvist and it will happen again
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@dnavinci
I have successfully travelled by land and sea to Kuopio and seen actual kalakukko being sold in the market square!!!@mrundkvist @dnavinci When I was an exchange student 37 years ago, I lived in (a place which after municipal amalgamation is now a part of) Kuopio. When I left, they gave me a big hunk of kalakukko to take on the night train down to Helsinki. It would never had occurred to me to bake whole fish into a loaf of bread before. Maybe my only good memory of that year.
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@mrundkvist @dnavinci When I was an exchange student 37 years ago, I lived in (a place which after municipal amalgamation is now a part of) Kuopio. When I left, they gave me a big hunk of kalakukko to take on the night train down to Helsinki. It would never had occurred to me to bake whole fish into a loaf of bread before. Maybe my only good memory of that year.
@wollman
I'm assuming that's Nilsiä?Something about that story worries me.
1. You were unhappy (that's obvious)
2. Taking food on the train, especially outside the dining car would be viewed as pretty rude.
Kalakukko seems like an odd parting gift because it's polarizing (like Mämmi) even to the locals.
Might have been a super polite way to be mean?Sorry for whatever happened.
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@wollman
I'm assuming that's Nilsiä?Something about that story worries me.
1. You were unhappy (that's obvious)
2. Taking food on the train, especially outside the dining car would be viewed as pretty rude.
Kalakukko seems like an odd parting gift because it's polarizing (like Mämmi) even to the locals.
Might have been a super polite way to be mean?Sorry for whatever happened.
@mrundkvist@dnavinci @mrundkvist Syvänniemi was the nearest village, at the time I believe it was part of the council of Karttula; I had to take a long rural bus trip every day to the lukio in Karttula. I lived with a childless couple in a pretty isolated house on the lake, a far cry from my first placement in Turku (one of the family members there took a disliking to me and had the agency move me). The couple both worked in Kuopio proper. The man was of Estonian ancestry.
