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One of the top threads on the ClaudeAI subreddit right now: "I am done with this shit" https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1wm5c21/i_am_done_with_this_shit/

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  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

    @pixelate @emma @ahltorp @cwebber

    Devin:

    nobody has a problem with the disabled community using AI

    i celebrate those uses. we celebrate those uses

    our complaints are about all the uses of AI that harm society

    you know that. you understand that difference

    so there is no need to fake a conflict that does not exist

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    #58

    @benroyce @emma @ahltorp @cwebber Did you read the part where I simply commented on how I use AI, and some one came at me for it?

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    • pixelate@tweesecake.socialP pixelate@tweesecake.social

      @benroyce @emma @ahltorp @cwebber Did you read the part where I simply commented on how I use AI, and some one came at me for it?

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      #59

      @pixelate @emma @ahltorp @cwebber

      what i saw was you defending your use of AI, and not indicating that you do that because you are disabled

      after their remark, *then* you indicated that

      that's miscommunication, not malice

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      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

        @pixelate @emma @ahltorp @cwebber

        what i saw was you defending your use of AI, and not indicating that you do that because you are disabled

        after their remark, *then* you indicated that

        that's miscommunication, not malice

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        #60

        @benroyce @emma @ahltorp @cwebber Wait, are you not seeing the :blind: in my display name?

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        • pixelate@tweesecake.socialP pixelate@tweesecake.social

          @benroyce @emma @ahltorp @cwebber Wait, are you not seeing the :blind: in my display name?

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          #61

          @pixelate @emma @ahltorp @cwebber

          yes

          and you did not in your initial remark indicate you being blind was the reason for your AI use

          "but that's obvious!"

          ok. but can we at least say the initial conflict was about defending AI? and that people dislike that? and that if they put in the effort, they might be able to deduce why you are saying what you are saying. but this means the disagreement is simply about miscommunication and not malice?

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          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

            @pixelate @emma @ahltorp @cwebber

            yes

            and you did not in your initial remark indicate you being blind was the reason for your AI use

            "but that's obvious!"

            ok. but can we at least say the initial conflict was about defending AI? and that people dislike that? and that if they put in the effort, they might be able to deduce why you are saying what you are saying. but this means the disagreement is simply about miscommunication and not malice?

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            #62

            @benroyce @emma @ahltorp @cwebber Wait that's not obvious? Okay I think this is enough internet for the day, I'm gonna play Magic the Gathering Arena or something. Thank goodness for accessibility mods.

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            • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

              @cwebber "you're just a condom between Claude and your production server getting fucked" is the best description of modern software engineering I've read in a while.

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              #63

              @alice @cwebber If that ever became my job I would just walk away and and let Claude bareback.

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              • pixelate@tweesecake.socialP pixelate@tweesecake.social

                @benroyce @emma @ahltorp @cwebber Wait that's not obvious? Okay I think this is enough internet for the day, I'm gonna play Magic the Gathering Arena or something. Thank goodness for accessibility mods.

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                #64

                @pixelate @emma @ahltorp @cwebber

                all i am saying is that the world is a nicer place when you first look to see if there is miscommunication involved first, before seeing malice. there is also malice in the world, of course. but again, the point is to avoid agita

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                • lrhodes@merveilles.townL lrhodes@merveilles.town

                  @cwebber Now if they could extrapolate from this to the fact that Reddit has a $60 million deal to let Google train on user submissions…

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                  #65

                  @lrhodes @cwebber

                  it's far worse than that

                  look at the age of this sub:

                  https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditSimulator/

                  11 years

                  there are improved models:

                  https://old.reddit.com/r/SubSimulatorGPT2/

                  7 years

                  #reddit is a pioneer in fake #bot engagement

                  the founders of reddit are on record saying 99% of the first userbase/ comments of reddit were all fakes:

                  https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/reddit-faked-its-first-users-resurfaced-video-shows-co-founder-alexis-ohanian-admitting-99-of-early-submissions-were-fabricated/articleshow/119263428.cms

                  reddit is full of bots. a lot of it is fake

                  enjoy reddit. i do

                  but know that you are in a sea of markov chain chatbots -> #GPT

                  and always have been

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                  • indigoparadox@mastodon.socialI indigoparadox@mastodon.social

                    @cwebber I really maintain LLMs are like the microwave. There are some narrow specific uses where it's good, but holy shit we're still in the "True Believers trying to make Thanksgiving dinner with them" phase.

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                    #66

                    @indigoparadox @cwebber This is it, this is the take. This.

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                    • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                      @pinhman

                      AI is not profitable. The companies lose money each time their product is used.

                      The only people making money on this is the financial services sector trading stock & issuing huge loans on "possible, perhaps, maybe" future revenue AND the fossil fuel industry powering gas generators for data centers.

                      The product is loathed and user acceptance doesn't match the hype.

                      What sane business makes itself dependent on a supplier or vendor at high risk of going bankrupt?

                      @cwebber

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                      #67

                      @Npars01 @cwebber An industry relying on potential bankruptcy? See Canadian agriculture.

                      It’s gone from family farms that watched out and supported each other, to little corporate agricultural operations waiting for nearby farms to fail, to allow their expansion.

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                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                        @pixelate @emma @ahltorp @cwebber

                        all i am saying is that the world is a nicer place when you first look to see if there is miscommunication involved first, before seeing malice. there is also malice in the world, of course. but again, the point is to avoid agita

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                        #68

                        @benroyce @emma @ahltorp @cwebber I would like to apologize to everyone on this thread for assuming the worst of people, and adding my fire to an already hot topic.

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                        • pinhman@humanwords.partyP pinhman@humanwords.party

                          @Npars01 @cwebber An industry relying on potential bankruptcy? See Canadian agriculture.

                          It’s gone from family farms that watched out and supported each other, to little corporate agricultural operations waiting for nearby farms to fail, to allow their expansion.

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                          #69

                          @pinhman @cwebber

                          That is likely what heavily capitalized billionaires like Musk are hoping for; waiting for smaller AI corporations to get swallowed by bigger ones.

                          He gains their customer base along with the acquisition.

                          Or he could do another TikTok, convince Trump to force a sale to a crony under "national security".

                          The end result being all human knowledge under the control of a handful of oligarchs & metered out predatorially, with end users never sure if AI answers are correct.

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                          • T toomuchcoffee@mastodon.social

                            @cwebber

                            I started using Claude about 3 months ago for a personal project and I was pleasantly surprised that it nudged me in the direction of test driven design. It wanted me to build my test cases first. And it was willing to do the heavy lifting on building those test cases and on doing the documentation. Also the output that it gave was first rate.

                            I truly believe that in the right environment Claude is a fantastic engineering assistant.

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                            #70

                            @TooMuchCoffee @cwebber Bruh, you would've been nudged toward TDD by sheer self-preservation as a sole maintainer of a codebase.

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                              @TooMuchCoffee @cwebber Bruh, you would've been nudged toward TDD by sheer self-preservation as a sole maintainer of a codebase.

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                              #71

                              @lidsel @cwebber

                              I am retired from 40 years of writing software. And I assure that the help Claude gives would have made my life easier.

                              I am also an old Smalltalker, and very aware of Kent Beck's ideas, which Claude seems to embrace.

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                              • jpaskaruk@growers.socialJ jpaskaruk@growers.social

                                @compfu @TooMuchCoffee @cwebber I know someone who decided this week that he wants to finally understand the deep magic, and asked Claude to help him be a kernel dev while never writing a single line of code for him.

                                Claude gave him real books to acquire and read, and he's currently working through understanding how registers work in assembly code, with a ready tutor to clarify anything needed.

                                So far they have not cut him off and demanded any money, but he does not necessarily expect that to happen, given the load on the servers is pretty small for this.

                                Evil is in how you use the thing. You can actually force it to make you smarter, if you're willing to become smarter (ie. Work).

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                                #72

                                @jpaskaruk @compfu @TooMuchCoffee @cwebber I hope this terrifying experiment results in us getting this kind of research assistance tools without all the bad, potentially civilization-ending baggage.

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                                • pixelate@tweesecake.socialP pixelate@tweesecake.social

                                  @benroyce @emma @ahltorp @cwebber I would like to apologize to everyone on this thread for assuming the worst of people, and adding my fire to an already hot topic.

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                                  #73

                                  @pixelate @emma @ahltorp @cwebber

                                  it's all good. i've done the same. we've all done the same. everyone gets frustrated. some double down and never concede a point. some, like you, concede a point, and move on. that's a statement of your character. a very good statement

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                                  • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                    @cwebber "you're just a condom between Claude and your production server getting fucked" is the best description of modern software engineering I've read in a while.

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                                    #74

                                    @alice @cwebber be careful not to burst, I guess

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                                    • pinhman@humanwords.partyP pinhman@humanwords.party

                                      @Npars01 @cwebber An industry relying on potential bankruptcy? See Canadian agriculture.

                                      It’s gone from family farms that watched out and supported each other, to little corporate agricultural operations waiting for nearby farms to fail, to allow their expansion.

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                                      #75

                                      @Npars01 @cwebber All manner of federal and provincial funded supports in Canadian agriculture.. Are they supporting farmers, or keeping just enough small corporate risk takers (what used to be family farms) in business to keep the multinationals profitable?

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                                      • lidsel@mastodon.gamedev.placeL lidsel@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                        @jpaskaruk @compfu @TooMuchCoffee @cwebber I hope this terrifying experiment results in us getting this kind of research assistance tools without all the bad, potentially civilization-ending baggage.

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                                        #76

                                        @lidsel Well, that's the key bit, I think - the actually good uses of this software, none of them require a datacentre.

                                        Only investors require datacentres, along with slavery for all humankind. Investors are the only people excited about those things.

                                        But computer programs that teach you how to use them by conversing with you in natural language, we don't need datacentres for that, at all.

                                        @compfu @TooMuchCoffee @cwebber

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                                        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                          One of the top threads on the ClaudeAI subreddit right now: "I am done with this shit" https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1wm5c21/i_am_done_with_this_shit/

                                          Curious to see just how much of the thread on a quite pro-genAI subreddit is people commiserating on the exhaustion of their work turning primarily into tedium and poor engineering.

                                          Bonus in that the Claude AI summary bot in the thread says:

                                          > The Rise of the Meat Proxy: You're not an engineer anymore, you're an "organic vessel designed to press enter." Or, as one user so poetically put it, you're just a condom between Claude and your production server getting fucked. Your only real job is to be the warm body they can blame when the AI slop inevitably breaks.

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                                          #77

                                          @cwebber Oh G-d, that hits home.

                                          A couple hours ago I was looking at “written by Claude Code” on a PR description that promised a manual verifications having been done, and all I could think of was “did you actually do it, or did your bot just write a nice looking text that you wish was real?..”

                                          I’m tired…

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