The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization.
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how did the web do it?
the Nazi bar analogy only works when their presence deters others. with decentralization and a lack of algos, that doesn't happen on the web. it won't happen here either.
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Not stupid. Fascist regimes needs an enemy to use as a shorthand for power graps. You may remember how in Animal Farm every step away from egelitarian system was explained by need to stop infiltration by Snowball's¹ spies.
Meanwhile the regime's continuous efforts to bolster the farm against outside enemies (whi may or may not exist) turns the Farm into a hierarchial structure that doesn't differ in any important way from other farms.
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¹ a Trotsky expy@iju @tribactam @cwebber fascists use the demarcation of labels like terrorists to make sweeping changes against civil liberties; it is impossible to prove someone is a "member" of antifa because it isnt a things with members. its like how mao called for the excecution of capitalists or pinochet with "leftists" as if they were organized fifth column groups in these countries. all the A/I hackers need to do is stop using the name.
the goal is to create a chilling effect, but if thr A/I hackers use a different name each time, it becomes a cat and mouse game that the hackers will win
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how did the web do it?
the Nazi bar analogy only works when their presence deters others. with decentralization and a lack of algos, that doesn't happen on the web. it won't happen here either.
@wjmaggos The web didn't do it. It's currently consumed by fascist (funded and ideological) AI.
The web failed horribly at not becoming a Nazi bar.
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@wjmaggos The web didn't do it. It's currently consumed by fascist (funded and ideological) AI.
The web failed horribly at not becoming a Nazi bar.
the vast majority of the web is still not AI shit and while Nazis have always been allowed on the web, it has only been very recently that AI is a problem.
you're gonna argue that our conservative relatives should never have been allowed to use the same internet we do? that pushing them to instead use a web shared by fascists where our voices were not present would have been better for society?
the fedi doesn't just moderate harassment. it limits all speech that isn't progressive.
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is it just me or the noblogs link doesn’t load? (noblogs.org itself resolves for me but not the subdomain)
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@iju @tribactam @cwebber fascists use the demarcation of labels like terrorists to make sweeping changes against civil liberties; it is impossible to prove someone is a "member" of antifa because it isnt a things with members. its like how mao called for the excecution of capitalists or pinochet with "leftists" as if they were organized fifth column groups in these countries. all the A/I hackers need to do is stop using the name.
the goal is to create a chilling effect, but if thr A/I hackers use a different name each time, it becomes a cat and mouse game that the hackers will win
The point isn't to catch A/I, but to create a cat-and-mouse - game that allows destruction of civil liberties as desired.
The point of Snowball isn't that they were sending spies to infiltrate the farm, but by claiming they were doing so allowed population manipulation and control.
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The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0616/
But what you really ought to read is this article about A/I's history, and what this means https://web.archive.org/web/20260828071449/https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10083/2
I'm concerned that the US government is starting to identify decentralized media infrastructure as a threat to its survival. Repost information about this broadly, and if you have media contacts, inform them of counter-narratives; there could come a time where the fediverse, or any decentralized network infrastructure, is a target as well if we don't sound the alarms now.
EDIT: I linked to the wrong page! The second link is now fixed
EDIT 2: A/I's domains have been revoked! So added an archive.org link
@cwebber this is actually so fucked up i can't even begin to describe my feelings about it. like, legally probably even, i really shouldn't. but my one experience with this collective is that a guy whose common lisp fedi client i studied and made an issue on codeberg of had his personal site there. it's frightening to see this come across my feed. -
The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0616/
But what you really ought to read is this article about A/I's history, and what this means https://web.archive.org/web/20260828071449/https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10083/2
I'm concerned that the US government is starting to identify decentralized media infrastructure as a threat to its survival. Repost information about this broadly, and if you have media contacts, inform them of counter-narratives; there could come a time where the fediverse, or any decentralized network infrastructure, is a target as well if we don't sound the alarms now.
EDIT: I linked to the wrong page! The second link is now fixed
EDIT 2: A/I's domains have been revoked! So added an archive.org link
Autistici/Inventati's domains have now been revoked. I updated the link in the above post with a wayback machine copy.
Every now and then someone tells me, "We have a decentralized naming system, it's called DNS!" and I say, no we don't, DNS is extremely centralized? And if that wasn't clear to you before, hopefully it's clear to you today.
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@cassiopeia @cwebber You need to first talk about how DNS works to explain parts of what ActivityPub is.
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Autistici/Inventati's domains have now been revoked. I updated the link in the above post with a wayback machine copy.
Every now and then someone tells me, "We have a decentralized naming system, it's called DNS!" and I say, no we don't, DNS is extremely centralized? And if that wasn't clear to you before, hopefully it's clear to you today.
@cwebber that's why we should consider supporting projects like OpenNIC and building decentralized, grassroots infrastructure -
Autistici/Inventati's domains have now been revoked. I updated the link in the above post with a wayback machine copy.
Every now and then someone tells me, "We have a decentralized naming system, it's called DNS!" and I say, no we don't, DNS is extremely centralized? And if that wasn't clear to you before, hopefully it's clear to you today.
@cwebber that is pretty crazy. any website a government doesn't like can just be removed from the Internet now apparently, simply by labeling it as terrorist propaganda
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Autistici/Inventati's domains have now been revoked. I updated the link in the above post with a wayback machine copy.
Every now and then someone tells me, "We have a decentralized naming system, it's called DNS!" and I say, no we don't, DNS is extremely centralized? And if that wasn't clear to you before, hopefully it's clear to you today.
@cwebber I'm all for setting up alternate roots and also supporting smarter DNS resolvers like unwind in more places. (I still resolve that domain just fine but it's not clear if it's unwind hitting something with a longer ttl somewhere or a nuance in how it was "revoked")
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The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0616/
But what you really ought to read is this article about A/I's history, and what this means https://web.archive.org/web/20260828071449/https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10083/2
I'm concerned that the US government is starting to identify decentralized media infrastructure as a threat to its survival. Repost information about this broadly, and if you have media contacts, inform them of counter-narratives; there could come a time where the fediverse, or any decentralized network infrastructure, is a target as well if we don't sound the alarms now.
EDIT: I linked to the wrong page! The second link is now fixed
EDIT 2: A/I's domains have been revoked! So added an archive.org link
@cwebber https://noblogs.org and https://www.inventati.org have not been revoked. looks like only autistici.org has been affected.
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@cwebber I'm all for setting up alternate roots and also supporting smarter DNS resolvers like unwind in more places. (I still resolve that domain just fine but it's not clear if it's unwind hitting something with a longer ttl somewhere or a nuance in how it was "revoked")
@cararemixed "alternative DNS systems" doesn't really help though, because the TLS CA system is designed to work with the centralized view of "DNS truth"
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@strangetown @Varpie @cwebber Because the Reich hates everything it doesn't control.
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Autistici/Inventati's domains have now been revoked. I updated the link in the above post with a wayback machine copy.
Every now and then someone tells me, "We have a decentralized naming system, it's called DNS!" and I say, no we don't, DNS is extremely centralized? And if that wasn't clear to you before, hopefully it's clear to you today.
@cwebber We have a global communications network, many fundamental aspects of which are controlled by the US federal government. There has been concern over this in the past, but past administrations have had the good sense of not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. What we have now is not best described as an administration, but a fascist regime, one which has rapidly moved to use every possible lever to extort other countries into doing what it wants, up to and including unprovoked war.
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@cwebber We have a global communications network, many fundamental aspects of which are controlled by the US federal government. There has been concern over this in the past, but past administrations have had the good sense of not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. What we have now is not best described as an administration, but a fascist regime, one which has rapidly moved to use every possible lever to extort other countries into doing what it wants, up to and including unprovoked war.
@cwebber The countries of the world need to fundamentally understand that this will not change as long as Trump lives and the people who surround him are in power and not in prison. The world should treat its entanglements with the US with wartime urgency. The US must be made the dispensable nation. The sovereignty of every nation on the planet that does not understand this is at stake.
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@cararemixed "alternative DNS systems" doesn't really help though, because the TLS CA system is designed to work with the centralized view of "DNS truth"
@cwebber Well sure, there's a lot in the stack that is slanted towards central planning and control but it's a little odd painting DNS as necessarily stuck as we use it today. Likewise with certificates and PKI in general. ACME helps a bit as do other forms of trust building. Most of these things have some fixing needed but it's not a gap we can't close.
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The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0616/
But what you really ought to read is this article about A/I's history, and what this means https://web.archive.org/web/20260828071449/https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10083/2
I'm concerned that the US government is starting to identify decentralized media infrastructure as a threat to its survival. Repost information about this broadly, and if you have media contacts, inform them of counter-narratives; there could come a time where the fediverse, or any decentralized network infrastructure, is a target as well if we don't sound the alarms now.
EDIT: I linked to the wrong page! The second link is now fixed
EDIT 2: A/I's domains have been revoked! So added an archive.org link
Could they post a hosts or zone file to radicle the p2p git forge?
