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The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization.

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  • jens@social.finkhaeuser.deJ jens@social.finkhaeuser.de

    @wjmaggos The web didn't do it. It's currently consumed by fascist (funded and ideological) AI.

    The web failed horribly at not becoming a Nazi bar.

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    #73

    @jens

    the vast majority of the web is still not AI shit and while Nazis have always been allowed on the web, it has only been very recently that AI is a problem.

    you're gonna argue that our conservative relatives should never have been allowed to use the same internet we do? that pushing them to instead use a web shared by fascists where our voices were not present would have been better for society?

    the fedi doesn't just moderate harassment. it limits all speech that isn't progressive.

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    • xarvos@outerheaven.clubX xarvos@outerheaven.club

      is it just me or the noblogs link doesn’t load? (noblogs.org itself resolves for me but not the subdomain)

      @cwebber@social.coop

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      #74

      @xarvos @cwebber Well it works for me. I'm using #OpenNic #DNS

      https://opennic.org/

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      • notavi10@critter.cafeN notavi10@critter.cafe

        @iju @tribactam @cwebber fascists use the demarcation of labels like terrorists to make sweeping changes against civil liberties; it is impossible to prove someone is a "member" of antifa because it isnt a things with members. its like how mao called for the excecution of capitalists or pinochet with "leftists" as if they were organized fifth column groups in these countries. all the A/I hackers need to do is stop using the name.

        the goal is to create a chilling effect, but if thr A/I hackers use a different name each time, it becomes a cat and mouse game that the hackers will win

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        #75

        @notavi10 @tribactam @cwebber

        The point isn't to catch A/I, but to create a cat-and-mouse - game that allows destruction of civil liberties as desired.

        The point of Snowball isn't that they were sending spies to infiltrate the farm, but by claiming they were doing so allowed population manipulation and control.

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        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

          The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0616/

          But what you really ought to read is this article about A/I's history, and what this means https://web.archive.org/web/20260828071449/https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10083/2

          I'm concerned that the US government is starting to identify decentralized media infrastructure as a threat to its survival. Repost information about this broadly, and if you have media contacts, inform them of counter-narratives; there could come a time where the fediverse, or any decentralized network infrastructure, is a target as well if we don't sound the alarms now.

          EDIT: I linked to the wrong page! The second link is now fixed 🙂

          EDIT 2: A/I's domains have been revoked! So added an archive.org link

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          #76
          @cwebber this is actually so fucked up i can't even begin to describe my feelings about it. like, legally probably even, i really shouldn't. but my one experience with this collective is that a guy whose common lisp fedi client i studied and made an issue on codeberg of had his personal site there. it's frightening to see this come across my feed.
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          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

            The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0616/

            But what you really ought to read is this article about A/I's history, and what this means https://web.archive.org/web/20260828071449/https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10083/2

            I'm concerned that the US government is starting to identify decentralized media infrastructure as a threat to its survival. Repost information about this broadly, and if you have media contacts, inform them of counter-narratives; there could come a time where the fediverse, or any decentralized network infrastructure, is a target as well if we don't sound the alarms now.

            EDIT: I linked to the wrong page! The second link is now fixed 🙂

            EDIT 2: A/I's domains have been revoked! So added an archive.org link

            cwebber@social.coopC This user is from outside of this forum
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            #77

            Autistici/Inventati's domains have now been revoked. I updated the link in the above post with a wayback machine copy.

            Every now and then someone tells me, "We have a decentralized naming system, it's called DNS!" and I say, no we don't, DNS is extremely centralized? And if that wasn't clear to you before, hopefully it's clear to you today.

            gettie@fedi.catto.gardenG onemoreday@critter.cafeO cararemixed@mastodon.socialC infoseepage@mastodon.socialI navi@catcatnya.comN 20 Replies Last reply
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            • gaditb@icosahedron.websiteG This user is from outside of this forum
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              #78

              @cassiopeia @cwebber You need to first talk about how DNS works to explain parts of what ActivityPub is.

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              • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                Autistici/Inventati's domains have now been revoked. I updated the link in the above post with a wayback machine copy.

                Every now and then someone tells me, "We have a decentralized naming system, it's called DNS!" and I say, no we don't, DNS is extremely centralized? And if that wasn't clear to you before, hopefully it's clear to you today.

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                #79
                @cwebber that's why we should consider supporting projects like OpenNIC and building decentralized, grassroots infrastructure
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                • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                  Autistici/Inventati's domains have now been revoked. I updated the link in the above post with a wayback machine copy.

                  Every now and then someone tells me, "We have a decentralized naming system, it's called DNS!" and I say, no we don't, DNS is extremely centralized? And if that wasn't clear to you before, hopefully it's clear to you today.

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                  #80

                  @cwebber that is pretty crazy. any website a government doesn't like can just be removed from the Internet now apparently, simply by labeling it as terrorist propaganda

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                  • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                    Autistici/Inventati's domains have now been revoked. I updated the link in the above post with a wayback machine copy.

                    Every now and then someone tells me, "We have a decentralized naming system, it's called DNS!" and I say, no we don't, DNS is extremely centralized? And if that wasn't clear to you before, hopefully it's clear to you today.

                    cararemixed@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #81

                    @cwebber I'm all for setting up alternate roots and also supporting smarter DNS resolvers like unwind in more places. (I still resolve that domain just fine but it's not clear if it's unwind hitting something with a longer ttl somewhere or a nuance in how it was "revoked")

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                    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                      The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0616/

                      But what you really ought to read is this article about A/I's history, and what this means https://web.archive.org/web/20260828071449/https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10083/2

                      I'm concerned that the US government is starting to identify decentralized media infrastructure as a threat to its survival. Repost information about this broadly, and if you have media contacts, inform them of counter-narratives; there could come a time where the fediverse, or any decentralized network infrastructure, is a target as well if we don't sound the alarms now.

                      EDIT: I linked to the wrong page! The second link is now fixed 🙂

                      EDIT 2: A/I's domains have been revoked! So added an archive.org link

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                      #82

                      @cwebber https://noblogs.org and https://www.inventati.org have not been revoked. looks like only autistici.org has been affected.

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                      • cararemixed@mastodon.socialC cararemixed@mastodon.social

                        @cwebber I'm all for setting up alternate roots and also supporting smarter DNS resolvers like unwind in more places. (I still resolve that domain just fine but it's not clear if it's unwind hitting something with a longer ttl somewhere or a nuance in how it was "revoked")

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                        #83

                        @cararemixed "alternative DNS systems" doesn't really help though, because the TLS CA system is designed to work with the centralized view of "DNS truth"

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                          #84

                          @strangetown @Varpie @cwebber Because the Reich hates everything it doesn't control.

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                          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                            Autistici/Inventati's domains have now been revoked. I updated the link in the above post with a wayback machine copy.

                            Every now and then someone tells me, "We have a decentralized naming system, it's called DNS!" and I say, no we don't, DNS is extremely centralized? And if that wasn't clear to you before, hopefully it's clear to you today.

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                            #85

                            @cwebber We have a global communications network, many fundamental aspects of which are controlled by the US federal government. There has been concern over this in the past, but past administrations have had the good sense of not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. What we have now is not best described as an administration, but a fascist regime, one which has rapidly moved to use every possible lever to extort other countries into doing what it wants, up to and including unprovoked war.

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                            • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

                              @cwebber We have a global communications network, many fundamental aspects of which are controlled by the US federal government. There has been concern over this in the past, but past administrations have had the good sense of not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. What we have now is not best described as an administration, but a fascist regime, one which has rapidly moved to use every possible lever to extort other countries into doing what it wants, up to and including unprovoked war.

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                              #86

                              @cwebber The countries of the world need to fundamentally understand that this will not change as long as Trump lives and the people who surround him are in power and not in prison. The world should treat its entanglements with the US with wartime urgency. The US must be made the dispensable nation. The sovereignty of every nation on the planet that does not understand this is at stake.

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                              • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                @cararemixed "alternative DNS systems" doesn't really help though, because the TLS CA system is designed to work with the centralized view of "DNS truth"

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                                #87

                                @cwebber Well sure, there's a lot in the stack that is slanted towards central planning and control but it's a little odd painting DNS as necessarily stuck as we use it today. Likewise with certificates and PKI in general. ACME helps a bit as do other forms of trust building. Most of these things have some fixing needed but it's not a gap we can't close.

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                                • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                  The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0616/

                                  But what you really ought to read is this article about A/I's history, and what this means https://web.archive.org/web/20260828071449/https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10083/2

                                  I'm concerned that the US government is starting to identify decentralized media infrastructure as a threat to its survival. Repost information about this broadly, and if you have media contacts, inform them of counter-narratives; there could come a time where the fediverse, or any decentralized network infrastructure, is a target as well if we don't sound the alarms now.

                                  EDIT: I linked to the wrong page! The second link is now fixed 🙂

                                  EDIT 2: A/I's domains have been revoked! So added an archive.org link

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                                  #88

                                  @cwebber

                                  Could they post a hosts or zone file to radicle the p2p git forge?

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                                  • alienghic@timeloop.cafeA alienghic@timeloop.cafe

                                    @cwebber

                                    Could they post a hosts or zone file to radicle the p2p git forge?

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                                    #89

                                    @alienghic @cwebber they could post a list of ip addresses anywhere. but who's going to accept putting up with this? they could also buy other domains, sure, if they find a bank that won't kick them out and they still have funds by then. but eventually you have to pay the servers and interact with either ICANN or RIPE. and even if you stick with local services - how many of them are willing to fight the usa when their own cops come knocking? best to hope it blows over or start hiding on tor

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                                    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                      The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0616/

                                      But what you really ought to read is this article about A/I's history, and what this means https://web.archive.org/web/20260828071449/https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10083/2

                                      I'm concerned that the US government is starting to identify decentralized media infrastructure as a threat to its survival. Repost information about this broadly, and if you have media contacts, inform them of counter-narratives; there could come a time where the fediverse, or any decentralized network infrastructure, is a target as well if we don't sound the alarms now.

                                      EDIT: I linked to the wrong page! The second link is now fixed 🙂

                                      EDIT 2: A/I's domains have been revoked! So added an archive.org link

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                                      #90

                                      @cwebber
                                      We just had a very interesting season on this at #SoCraTes26

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                                      • cararemixed@mastodon.socialC cararemixed@mastodon.social

                                        @cwebber I'm all for setting up alternate roots and also supporting smarter DNS resolvers like unwind in more places. (I still resolve that domain just fine but it's not clear if it's unwind hitting something with a longer ttl somewhere or a nuance in how it was "revoked")

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                                        #91

                                        @cararemixed @cwebber That's not mitigating the centralised nature of how DNS works today, just changing the centre of authority. We need to go full fedi/p2p for name-to-address resolution, and probably (almost certainly) all the other things DNS gets (mis)used for.

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                                        • milja@social.netdynamics.euM milja@social.netdynamics.eu

                                          @lunareclipse
                                          The Hague ICC judges thing was because VISA and MasterCard are from USA, even if the card is from a European bank. USA can shut them down from European consumers without our banks doing anything.

                                          @cwebber @MaddieM4

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                                          #92

                                          @milja @cwebber @MaddieM4 @lunareclipse UK banks have allegedly started digging themselves out of this hole:
                                          https://www.theguardian.com/business/2026/feb/16/uk-bank-bosses-plan-visa-mastercard-alternative

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