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  3. Deleted my post about the sexual harassment I'd received on Fedi, because it was driving more sexual harassment toward me.

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  • mloxton@med-mastodon.comM mloxton@med-mastodon.com

    @RegGuy

    I hear you, and the same situation exists wrt racism. People of color say they get a ton of racist interactions, but I don't see it, so don't respond.

    I think three things are going on:
    1. There are things that *I* don't perceive as racist/sexist, but are experienced as such by the target. That bc the perpetrator is modulating to escape detection
    2. There are things that I haven't realized are racist and sexist, and I need to educate myself
    3. I am not in those environments
    @bob @vkc

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    #74

    @mloxton There is an excellent book, "How to Be an Antiracist," by Ibram X. Kendi. Sexism has become a more difficult thing, as in some cases, it's in the eye of the recipient. I take anything like a slight only because they are the opposite sex to be sexism; that goes both ways. I think there is a lot of overt sexism that's easy to spot. If someone is harassing another, that's not necessarily sexism, but certainly harassment, and occurs more toward women than men, to be sure. @bob @vkc

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    • vkc@linuxmom.netV vkc@linuxmom.net

      Deleted my post about the sexual harassment I'd received on Fedi, because it was driving more sexual harassment toward me.

      Y'all want women on Fedi? Fight that shit. I can't do it for you.

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      #75

      @vkc Very sorry to hear you are experiencing this. It's not ok. 🌞

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      • vkc@linuxmom.netV vkc@linuxmom.net

        Deleted my post about the sexual harassment I'd received on Fedi, because it was driving more sexual harassment toward me.

        Y'all want women on Fedi? Fight that shit. I can't do it for you.

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        #76

        @vkc +1000000

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        • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

          @byrnensorg there's good reason for a lot of anger at some things. The problems have always been here too, but due to active moderation and the nature of federation, it can be less visible (except to the people who get sucker-punched).

          Also, the only way we keep Fedi from becoming Twitter is by believing the victims instead of the trolls.

          @vkc

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          #77

          @alice @vkc There was some threads this week that could've benefitted from an angry dome.

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          • vkc@linuxmom.netV vkc@linuxmom.net

            Deleted my post about the sexual harassment I'd received on Fedi, because it was driving more sexual harassment toward me.

            Y'all want women on Fedi? Fight that shit. I can't do it for you.

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            #78

            @vkc Hugs if you want them, a nod if you don't. Sorry you had to endure that bullshit again.

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            • vkc@linuxmom.netV vkc@linuxmom.net

              Deleted my post about the sexual harassment I'd received on Fedi, because it was driving more sexual harassment toward me.

              Y'all want women on Fedi? Fight that shit. I can't do it for you.

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              #79

              @vkc I will never understand why some people just love to be shitheads.

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              • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                @semitones thanks for bringing that up 🩷 seems like a good time to boost that post again.

                @vkc

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                #80

                @alice @semitones @vkc I think that is the post I saw that made me want to follow you, Alice!

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                • vkc@linuxmom.netV vkc@linuxmom.net

                  Deleted my post about the sexual harassment I'd received on Fedi, because it was driving more sexual harassment toward me.

                  Y'all want women on Fedi? Fight that shit. I can't do it for you.

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                  #81

                  @vkc is it coming from the same server? If so, i'd make a #fediblock post

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                  • regguy@mstdn.socialR regguy@mstdn.social

                    @mloxton There is an excellent book, "How to Be an Antiracist," by Ibram X. Kendi. Sexism has become a more difficult thing, as in some cases, it's in the eye of the recipient. I take anything like a slight only because they are the opposite sex to be sexism; that goes both ways. I think there is a lot of overt sexism that's easy to spot. If someone is harassing another, that's not necessarily sexism, but certainly harassment, and occurs more toward women than men, to be sure. @bob @vkc

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                    #82

                    @RegGuy
                    At risk of flooding out Veronica's voice here (a real risk and also sexism), yeah, the overt "hey you b*tch" stuff is easy to spot.
                    More difficult is the coded stuff. Using innocent words to highlight "feminine" vs "masculine" aspects
                    Even more difficult is noticing undue focus, undue exclusion, and seemingly automatic assumptions that a woman should be more caring or gentle, or be the default peacemaker, etc.

                    It takes a lot of work, persistence, and attention

                    @bob @vkc

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                    • moondog548@nerdculture.deM moondog548@nerdculture.de

                      @Aprazeth
                      This is a huge opportunity. We need to learn *and teach eachother* how to call our brothers in when they're out of line.

                      We need to know what to do and make it a reflex!
                      @alice @vkc

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                      #83

                      @moondog548 as one of their peers, you can have a huge impact on toxic behavior in 3-5 simple words:

                      "Dude, not cool."
                      "What the fuck, man?"
                      "Hey, that was fucked up."

                      Pick whatever variation works best for your peer group, and snap back with it as soon as the bullshit leaves their mouth. Be upset and make it uncomfortable for a moment. Don't let them brush it off as a joke.

                      @Aprazeth @vkc

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                      • vkc@linuxmom.netV vkc@linuxmom.net

                        Deleted my post about the sexual harassment I'd received on Fedi, because it was driving more sexual harassment toward me.

                        Y'all want women on Fedi? Fight that shit. I can't do it for you.

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                        #84
                        @vkc
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                        • alex02@elonsucks.orgA alex02@elonsucks.org

                          @vkc no it is not and quite frankly your response is quite obnoxious. If we can't talk about problems collectively on this shithole platform and only talk about one thing at a time than it becomes loose islands among the rest of the sewage, but fine whatever. Thank you for proving my point about how hostile this place is becoming with all you morons whining, but yet do this type of shit. Anyways, enjoy the block. I generally don't care.

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                          #85

                          @alex02 @vkc what are you even on about 😭

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                          • vkc@linuxmom.netV vkc@linuxmom.net

                            Deleted my post about the sexual harassment I'd received on Fedi, because it was driving more sexual harassment toward me.

                            Y'all want women on Fedi? Fight that shit. I can't do it for you.

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                            #86

                            @vkc Goddammit. Men suck (as a man).

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                            • aprazeth@mstdn.socialA aprazeth@mstdn.social

                              @moondog548 @alice @vkc

                              There are differing styles of communication and personalities to take into account, so don't necessarily use these as-is. Adapt to your situation/style/personality

                              Some examples to get started (for the edgy remark retorts)

                              - Not cool dude
                              - that's fucked up
                              - ask them to explain what they meant, make them explain their "edgy" stuff

                              But above all, be the better example. Support women, POC, LGBTQ, and *believe them* when they call out stuff

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                              #87

                              @moondog548 @alice @vkc

                              And keep in mind: some men will just be monsters. No amount of social pressure or calling out will work on them as they keep making those remarks

                              In those instances - ostracize them from your life, and warn others. Do not accept them as "quirky but harmless". Because it will escalate, and will draw in others. That will prompt "but he says it, and it's accepted so I should be able to say it as well"

                              > Silence now is implied endorsement later.

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                              • moondog548@nerdculture.deM moondog548@nerdculture.de

                                @Aprazeth
                                This is a huge opportunity. We need to learn *and teach eachother* how to call our brothers in when they're out of line.

                                We need to know what to do and make it a reflex!
                                @alice @vkc

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                                #88

                                @moondog548 @alice @vkc

                                There are differing styles of communication and personalities to take into account, so don't necessarily use these as-is. Adapt to your situation/style/personality

                                Some examples to get started (for the edgy remark retorts)

                                - Not cool dude
                                - that's fucked up
                                - ask them to explain what they meant, make them explain their "edgy" stuff

                                But above all, be the better example. Support women, POC, LGBTQ, and *believe them* when they call out stuff

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                                • vkc@linuxmom.netV vkc@linuxmom.net

                                  Deleted my post about the sexual harassment I'd received on Fedi, because it was driving more sexual harassment toward me.

                                  Y'all want women on Fedi? Fight that shit. I can't do it for you.

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                                  #89

                                  @vkc I’m very sorry to hear this. Just this morning I watched your videos on installing Linux on Chromebooks and comparing standard Mint to Debian Mint (loved the visual REM reference, btw). And a few days ago your video about installing Linux on M1 Macs inspired me to do just that.

                                  You’re doing great work, and I really appreciate you being on PeerTube. Thanks much!

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                                  • vkc@linuxmom.netV vkc@linuxmom.net

                                    Deleted my post about the sexual harassment I'd received on Fedi, because it was driving more sexual harassment toward me.

                                    Y'all want women on Fedi? Fight that shit. I can't do it for you.

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                                    #90

                                    @vkc had some best way not engage ignore block report.

                                    if you engage, you already lost.

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                                    • mloxton@med-mastodon.comM mloxton@med-mastodon.com

                                      @RegGuy
                                      At risk of flooding out Veronica's voice here (a real risk and also sexism), yeah, the overt "hey you b*tch" stuff is easy to spot.
                                      More difficult is the coded stuff. Using innocent words to highlight "feminine" vs "masculine" aspects
                                      Even more difficult is noticing undue focus, undue exclusion, and seemingly automatic assumptions that a woman should be more caring or gentle, or be the default peacemaker, etc.

                                      It takes a lot of work, persistence, and attention

                                      @bob @vkc

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                                      #91

                                      @mloxton @RegGuy @vkc

                                      I do a lot of coding for the MPAQ network. Sitting here working on other things and wondering if i could build a database/site to collect names@instances that someone sends...

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                                      • bob@beamship.mpaq.orgB bob@beamship.mpaq.org

                                        @mloxton @RegGuy @vkc

                                        I do a lot of coding for the MPAQ network. Sitting here working on other things and wondering if i could build a database/site to collect names@instances that someone sends...

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                                        #92

                                        @bob
                                        There is something like that afaik
                                        Not sure if it wound up as an app, but women were circulating a blocklist of known gremlins

                                        @RegGuy @vkc

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                                        • vkc@linuxmom.netV vkc@linuxmom.net

                                          Deleted my post about the sexual harassment I'd received on Fedi, because it was driving more sexual harassment toward me.

                                          Y'all want women on Fedi? Fight that shit. I can't do it for you.

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                                          #93

                                          @vkc

                                          I just can send you hugs, and apple pies.

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