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  • karen5lund@mastodon.socialK karen5lund@mastodon.social

    @sundogplanets T-shirts?

    For conferences, print a compact version that fits inside the plastic pocket you get for your conference ID and put it in the back, so you can just flip the badge to show it.

    cerstinmahlow@mastodon.acm.orgC This user is from outside of this forum
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    #44

    @Karen5Lund That's exactly what I wanted to suggest: print it on a paper that fits badges for conferences! @sundogplanets

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    • lauraleedukeshire@cosocial.caL lauraleedukeshire@cosocial.ca

      @ives @sundogplanets Here is my suggestion. When you feel yourself about to explain something, ask her "Are you familiar with _____?". She can either tell you what she knows or ask for an explanation so, that the two of you can establish a common starting point for the next part of conversation.

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      #45

      @LauraleeDukeshire @ives @sundogplanets I'm a woman and I do this all the time. In my work I'm frequently meeting people for the first time and I'm unsure how much info they have on the subject of the meeting. So often my first question is just what you said: "are you familiar with X, or would it help if I gave some background?" It works!

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      • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

        I am... really tempted to pin this to the top of my account... Print it and put it on my office door... send it as my email signature... wear it around my neck at conferences....
        https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180727-mansplaining-explained-in-one-chart

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        #46

        @sundogplanets please keep a tally of how many men explain to you why it's wrong and/or you didn't understand it

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        • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

          I am... really tempted to pin this to the top of my account... Print it and put it on my office door... send it as my email signature... wear it around my neck at conferences....
          https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180727-mansplaining-explained-in-one-chart

          someguy@beige.partyS This user is from outside of this forum
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          #47

          @sundogplanets I would like to point out that it's not uncommon for #actuallyautistic #communication to be mistaken for #mansplaining.

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          • lauerhahn@sfba.socialL lauerhahn@sfba.social

            @LauraleeDukeshire @ives @sundogplanets I'm a woman and I do this all the time. In my work I'm frequently meeting people for the first time and I'm unsure how much info they have on the subject of the meeting. So often my first question is just what you said: "are you familiar with X, or would it help if I gave some background?" It works!

            loops@neurodifferent.meL This user is from outside of this forum
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            #48

            @ives @sundogplanets @lauerhahn @LauraleeDukeshire I gotta say, that phrasing particularly is really bad for me as an autistic person. All I wind up thinking is “I don’t know what you consider familiarity and if it’s the same thing I consider familiar, I wish you’d just give me the background that you think is relevant to your point, and let me filter for myself if it’s useful right now”

            It winds up with so many meetings going poorly because there is no universal and usefully external measure of familiarity with a given topic

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            • dadube@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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              #49

              @platypusparent @ministerofimpediments @sundogplanets

              My people! I'm sorry I happen to be a man.

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              • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                I am... really tempted to pin this to the top of my account... Print it and put it on my office door... send it as my email signature... wear it around my neck at conferences....
                https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180727-mansplaining-explained-in-one-chart

                roodie@social.vivaldi.netR This user is from outside of this forum
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                #50

                @sundogplanets

                How do you measure relevance of experience?Also, can you count experience in numbers? I mean, when you say "s/he has more experience" how does that compare to less experiences but with heavier weight?

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                • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                  I am... really tempted to pin this to the top of my account... Print it and put it on my office door... send it as my email signature... wear it around my neck at conferences....
                  https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180727-mansplaining-explained-in-one-chart

                  ai6yr@m.ai6yr.orgA This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #51

                  @sundogplanets Actually, kinda useful, thanks! Will need to post this above my monitor 🤪

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                  • lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.netL lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.net

                    @sundogplanets @socketwench

                    Shall we crowd fund this?

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                    #52

                    @LappenjammerDieZweite @sundogplanets @socketwench how big of an electric shock does it administer to the mansplainer when the level reaches red?

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                    • venite@mastodon.nlV venite@mastodon.nl

                      @sundogplanets we need t-shirts. On the back would be great

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                      #53

                      @venite @sundogplanets Maybe front & back, because I think they'd be more likely to read it if tits were involved.

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                      • roodie@social.vivaldi.netR roodie@social.vivaldi.net

                        @sundogplanets

                        How do you measure relevance of experience?Also, can you count experience in numbers? I mean, when you say "s/he has more experience" how does that compare to less experiences but with heavier weight?

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                        #54

                        @Roodie This ^ is whataboutism, an attempt to undermine the point being made, a common follow-on in mansplaining which attempts to contest the mansplained expert's legitimacy and authority.

                        *block*

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                        • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                          I am... really tempted to pin this to the top of my account... Print it and put it on my office door... send it as my email signature... wear it around my neck at conferences....
                          https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180727-mansplaining-explained-in-one-chart

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                          #55

                          @sundogplanets
                          I realize that misogyny leads to that kind of behavior far worse than I as a man have ever experienced. But I'm a short man, and can tell you that I've received some of that being ignored pattern also.

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                          • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                            I am... really tempted to pin this to the top of my account... Print it and put it on my office door... send it as my email signature... wear it around my neck at conferences....
                            https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180727-mansplaining-explained-in-one-chart

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                            #56

                            @sundogplanets
                            No, don't do that. It's a bad idea and I can tell you why…

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                            • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                              I am... really tempted to pin this to the top of my account... Print it and put it on my office door... send it as my email signature... wear it around my neck at conferences....
                              https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180727-mansplaining-explained-in-one-chart

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                              #57

                              @sundogplanets lol

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                              • socketwench@masto.hackers.townS socketwench@masto.hackers.town

                                @cascheranno @sundogplanets Universe, I need one of those too.

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                                #58

                                @socketwench @cascheranno @sundogplanets when I was a kid, we'd tell each other that "the needle on our caring meter is falling," in reference to the Care Bear and just stop listening.

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                                • someguy@beige.partyS someguy@beige.party

                                  @sundogplanets I would like to point out that it's not uncommon for #actuallyautistic #communication to be mistaken for #mansplaining.

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                                  #59

                                  @someguy

                                  It would probably be way less common, if so many people would use an actual definition, instead of just whether it "feels like mansplaining" to them.

                                  In some contexts, I've even seen disagreement being framed as mansplaining (which it can be, but not necessarily is), because if you disagree with a woman as a man, you're "explaining your opinion/the reason why you disagree to her", which is just absurd.

                                  To many, the term seems to be misleading.

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                                  @sundogplanets

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                                  • socketwench@masto.hackers.townS socketwench@masto.hackers.town

                                    @cascheranno @sundogplanets Universe, I need one of those too.

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                                    #60

                                    @socketwench @cascheranno @sundogplanets
                                    Universe! I like your exclamations!

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                                    • hauchvonstaub@nrw.socialH hauchvonstaub@nrw.social

                                      @someguy

                                      It would probably be way less common, if so many people would use an actual definition, instead of just whether it "feels like mansplaining" to them.

                                      In some contexts, I've even seen disagreement being framed as mansplaining (which it can be, but not necessarily is), because if you disagree with a woman as a man, you're "explaining your opinion/the reason why you disagree to her", which is just absurd.

                                      To many, the term seems to be misleading.

                                      1/

                                      @sundogplanets

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                                      #61

                                      @someguy

                                      I've never seen a single incident of actual mansplaining, that would have needed this chart, since "Do I actually care about this topic, or do I just want female attention?", would have already been enough.

                                      2/2

                                      @sundogplanets

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                                      • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                        I am... really tempted to pin this to the top of my account... Print it and put it on my office door... send it as my email signature... wear it around my neck at conferences....
                                        https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180727-mansplaining-explained-in-one-chart

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                                        #62

                                        Ok the comments are more obnoxious than funny now, so muting this thread!

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                                        • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                          Ok the comments are more obnoxious than funny now, so muting this thread!

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                                          #63

                                          @sundogplanets dayumn

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