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  • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

    I am... really tempted to pin this to the top of my account... Print it and put it on my office door... send it as my email signature... wear it around my neck at conferences....
    https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180727-mansplaining-explained-in-one-chart

    ministerofimpediments@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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    #35

    @sundogplanets …totally tempted to explain to you how to do a proper flow diagram.

    [which is humor…btw]

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    • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

      I am... really tempted to pin this to the top of my account... Print it and put it on my office door... send it as my email signature... wear it around my neck at conferences....
      https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180727-mansplaining-explained-in-one-chart

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      #36

      @sundogplanets Perfect, now I just need one for reply-guying.

      Say, is there any chance you can get this one into orbit?

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      • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

        I am... really tempted to pin this to the top of my account... Print it and put it on my office door... send it as my email signature... wear it around my neck at conferences....
        https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180727-mansplaining-explained-in-one-chart

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        #37

        @sundogplanets On the downside, I don't read people's pinned posts before replying to them. On the upside, I don't see how could pinning it possibly hurt

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        • lauraleedukeshire@cosocial.caL lauraleedukeshire@cosocial.ca

          @ives @sundogplanets I'll also add that if one catches themself mansplaining (ie. One is explaining and sees "that look" on her face), one can always course correct with a quick, "sorry, I didn't ask if you already know this." And see what she says. A lot of us will appreciate and give grace to someone who is trying to do better.

          tekchip@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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          #38

          @LauraleeDukeshire @ives @sundogplanets this seems the right way.

          Everything in the diagram after "No" is assumptions and we all know some things about how those go. 😬

          If I assume a thing is known, and it's not, then things go poorly. If I don't assume a thing and mansplain things go poorly.

          The question cuts the assumptions and ensures things go well. I've done this in the past but I still need to work harder to make sure it's the default. I appreciate the reminder!

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          • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

            I am... really tempted to pin this to the top of my account... Print it and put it on my office door... send it as my email signature... wear it around my neck at conferences....
            https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180727-mansplaining-explained-in-one-chart

            chickpeapole@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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            #39

            @sundogplanets The fact that a flow chart is needed 😭 The actual culprits probably wouldn't even bother reading through this though

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            • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

              I am... really tempted to pin this to the top of my account... Print it and put it on my office door... send it as my email signature... wear it around my neck at conferences....
              https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180727-mansplaining-explained-in-one-chart

              fishidwardrobe@social.tchncs.deF This user is from outside of this forum
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              #40

              @sundogplanets i feel like we need a box with the question "are you explaining something?"

              Because that does come up.

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              • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                I am... really tempted to pin this to the top of my account... Print it and put it on my office door... send it as my email signature... wear it around my neck at conferences....
                https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180727-mansplaining-explained-in-one-chart

                howking@mastodonczech.czH This user is from outside of this forum
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                #41

                @sundogplanets Is she wrong, and do you want to explain it to her just as you would explain it to a man? Don’t do that—with a woman, that’s mansplaining! 🙂

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                • howking@mastodonczech.czH howking@mastodonczech.cz

                  @sundogplanets Is she wrong, and do you want to explain it to her just as you would explain it to a man? Don’t do that—with a woman, that’s mansplaining! 🙂

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                  #42

                  @howking
                  do you feel the need to explain?

                  This seems more about making yourself feel more authoritative than making the other person feel better or more informed. Maybe just ask yourself if it really matters?

                  Also, for the specific example that the OP is referring to (ie. being a recognized authority on a subject and still being mansplained on that subject), your generic response doesn't really seem all that applicable.

                  @sundogplanets

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                  • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                    I am... really tempted to pin this to the top of my account... Print it and put it on my office door... send it as my email signature... wear it around my neck at conferences....
                    https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180727-mansplaining-explained-in-one-chart

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                    #43

                    @sundogplanets i reckon you could have it made into a cattle brand, for helping repeat offenders to remember.

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                    • karen5lund@mastodon.socialK karen5lund@mastodon.social

                      @sundogplanets T-shirts?

                      For conferences, print a compact version that fits inside the plastic pocket you get for your conference ID and put it in the back, so you can just flip the badge to show it.

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                      #44

                      @Karen5Lund That's exactly what I wanted to suggest: print it on a paper that fits badges for conferences! @sundogplanets

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                      • lauraleedukeshire@cosocial.caL lauraleedukeshire@cosocial.ca

                        @ives @sundogplanets Here is my suggestion. When you feel yourself about to explain something, ask her "Are you familiar with _____?". She can either tell you what she knows or ask for an explanation so, that the two of you can establish a common starting point for the next part of conversation.

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                        #45

                        @LauraleeDukeshire @ives @sundogplanets I'm a woman and I do this all the time. In my work I'm frequently meeting people for the first time and I'm unsure how much info they have on the subject of the meeting. So often my first question is just what you said: "are you familiar with X, or would it help if I gave some background?" It works!

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                        • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                          I am... really tempted to pin this to the top of my account... Print it and put it on my office door... send it as my email signature... wear it around my neck at conferences....
                          https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180727-mansplaining-explained-in-one-chart

                          joat@mastodon.scotJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #46

                          @sundogplanets please keep a tally of how many men explain to you why it's wrong and/or you didn't understand it

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                          • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                            I am... really tempted to pin this to the top of my account... Print it and put it on my office door... send it as my email signature... wear it around my neck at conferences....
                            https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180727-mansplaining-explained-in-one-chart

                            someguy@beige.partyS This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #47

                            @sundogplanets I would like to point out that it's not uncommon for #actuallyautistic #communication to be mistaken for #mansplaining.

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                            • lauerhahn@sfba.socialL lauerhahn@sfba.social

                              @LauraleeDukeshire @ives @sundogplanets I'm a woman and I do this all the time. In my work I'm frequently meeting people for the first time and I'm unsure how much info they have on the subject of the meeting. So often my first question is just what you said: "are you familiar with X, or would it help if I gave some background?" It works!

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                              #48

                              @ives @sundogplanets @lauerhahn @LauraleeDukeshire I gotta say, that phrasing particularly is really bad for me as an autistic person. All I wind up thinking is “I don’t know what you consider familiarity and if it’s the same thing I consider familiar, I wish you’d just give me the background that you think is relevant to your point, and let me filter for myself if it’s useful right now”

                              It winds up with so many meetings going poorly because there is no universal and usefully external measure of familiarity with a given topic

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                                #49

                                @platypusparent @ministerofimpediments @sundogplanets

                                My people! I'm sorry I happen to be a man.

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                                • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                  I am... really tempted to pin this to the top of my account... Print it and put it on my office door... send it as my email signature... wear it around my neck at conferences....
                                  https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180727-mansplaining-explained-in-one-chart

                                  roodie@social.vivaldi.netR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #50

                                  @sundogplanets

                                  How do you measure relevance of experience?Also, can you count experience in numbers? I mean, when you say "s/he has more experience" how does that compare to less experiences but with heavier weight?

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                                  • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                    I am... really tempted to pin this to the top of my account... Print it and put it on my office door... send it as my email signature... wear it around my neck at conferences....
                                    https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180727-mansplaining-explained-in-one-chart

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                                    #51

                                    @sundogplanets Actually, kinda useful, thanks! Will need to post this above my monitor 🤪

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                                    • lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.netL lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.net

                                      @sundogplanets @socketwench

                                      Shall we crowd fund this?

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                                      #52

                                      @LappenjammerDieZweite @sundogplanets @socketwench how big of an electric shock does it administer to the mansplainer when the level reaches red?

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                                      • venite@mastodon.nlV venite@mastodon.nl

                                        @sundogplanets we need t-shirts. On the back would be great

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                                        #53

                                        @venite @sundogplanets Maybe front & back, because I think they'd be more likely to read it if tits were involved.

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                                        • roodie@social.vivaldi.netR roodie@social.vivaldi.net

                                          @sundogplanets

                                          How do you measure relevance of experience?Also, can you count experience in numbers? I mean, when you say "s/he has more experience" how does that compare to less experiences but with heavier weight?

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                                          #54

                                          @Roodie This ^ is whataboutism, an attempt to undermine the point being made, a common follow-on in mansplaining which attempts to contest the mansplained expert's legitimacy and authority.

                                          *block*

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