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  3. The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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  • jannem@fosstodon.orgJ jannem@fosstodon.org

    @slothrop @neil
    You know, I'm in my fifties. And over the past 40 years I've gone from a liberal centrist to a socialist radical, without changing my opinions.

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    #92

    @jannem @slothrop @neil I think that fits me reasonably well too. Thanks.

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    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

      The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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      #93

      @neil You'll have to prove your age to use DNS soon.

      https://infosec.exchange/@k3ym0/116297258355796740

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      • the_wub@mastodon.socialT the_wub@mastodon.social

        @neil I have never used my full name when setting up my user on a personal Linux device.

        I generally give computers hostnames that do not identify the devices type.

        My email addresses to do not include my name nor parts of my name.

        My online usernames are unique per site and do not contain references to my real name.

        Not that this helps much with device fingerprinting as it is today but I feel I have to try to do something.

        Every act of resistance counts.

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        #94

        @the_wub @neil

        I stopped using my real name on online 25 years ago.

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        • jannem@fosstodon.orgJ jannem@fosstodon.org

          @slothrop @neil
          You know, I'm in my fifties. And over the past 40 years I've gone from a liberal centrist to a socialist radical, without changing my opinions.

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          #95

          @jannem @slothrop @neil lol

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          • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

            The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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            #96

            @neil

            Also, the assumption of only one user per device

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            • randynose@mstdn.socialR randynose@mstdn.social

              @neil

              I think we all sound sexy in our own minds?
              Do we not?
              😂

              @slothrop

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              #97

              @RandyNose @neil @slothrop Speak for yourself, I just sound a bit nasal.

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              • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                Perhaps I am some kind of dangerous computer radical these days, thinking that one should be able to buy or make a computer, install one's choice of OSs and software, create a local user account, and get on with one's affairs, privately and without interference.

                Quiet enjoyment of one's computer.

                * No age or ID verification

                * No jumping through hoops to install software, or third parties restricting the software that one can run

                * No third party accounts

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                #98

                @neil https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy_in_the_U._K.

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                • hedders@mas.toH hedders@mas.to

                  @neil I do worry that we're seeing the beginning of the end of personal computing, in the sense of being able to own a machine that you control and that does your bidding.

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                  #99

                  @hedders @neil on that were past

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                  • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                    @hedders Exactly this.

                    Admittedly, Apple was perhaps already further down the "appliance, not computer" path with iOS than some others, but still...

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                    #100

                    @neil @hedders apple was always a sect

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                    • kantikainen@mementomori.socialK kantikainen@mementomori.social

                      @neil I am very concearned about age verification on OS level thing thats on the talks lately. So i am NOT trying to under estimate this threath, ok. Still i have a total noob question here: how could that ever be enforcable?

                      Somodoby just goes "fuck that!" Makes a linux distro that does not ask any of that shit and puts it out for free.

                      How can this effect those users?

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                      #101

                      @Kantikainen @neil whatever you use you act on/in the web

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                      • jannem@fosstodon.orgJ jannem@fosstodon.org

                        @dsc @slothrop @neil
                        It's not mine originally; I believe I've read something similar by others. Feel free to use in other words!

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                        #102

                        @jannem @neil @slothrop @dsc There’s a lot of it going about! The first version I ever saw was the one referred to here: From centre right to hard left Given the long-running trend of parties to the right, hard to believe there aren’t even older versions kicking around.

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                        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                          The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                          #103

                          @neil <snark>that's because you're not on board with the new business model. You don't own that computer or phone. You've only paid for it. The company still owns it.</snark>

                          #Computing #BigTech

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                          • jannem@fosstodon.orgJ jannem@fosstodon.org

                            @slothrop @neil
                            You know, I'm in my fifties. And over the past 40 years I've gone from a liberal centrist to a socialist radical, without changing my opinions.

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                            #104

                            @jannem @slothrop @neil Hmmm..... I guess I need to redifine myself...

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                            • mikecox@mastodon.iow.socialM mikecox@mastodon.iow.social

                              @neil I think we've already gone that way with cars. It's difficult (impossible?) to buy one now that just belongs to you with mno ties to the manufacturer or seller.
                              Yet we all accept it.

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                              #105

                              @mikecox @neil Unfortunately, you can't buy what they don't sell.

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                              • aanee@mastodon.onlineA aanee@mastodon.online

                                @neil "You should own nothing, and be happy***"

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                                #106

                                @neil
                                *** Not angry enough to hurt "our" bottom line.

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                                • randynose@mstdn.socialR randynose@mstdn.social

                                  @neil

                                  I think we all sound sexy in our own minds?
                                  Do we not?
                                  😂

                                  @slothrop

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                                  #107

                                  @RandyNose @neil https://youtu.be/P5mtclwloEQ

                                  (I remember when this came out in 1991, people were wondering whether the video might be hinting at queer sexuality. And yeah, maybe??)

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                                  • ronnyadsetts@mastodon.socialR ronnyadsetts@mastodon.social

                                    @tokyo_0 @ItsePerkele @janeishly @neil at least with windows 11 pro, you can tell it you intend to join a domain and it will let you pass. Unless you get an enterprise license though, it will nag you to log in with a Microsoft account when logged in as a local user. You can get an enterprise licence for 15 quid or so if you look.

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                                    #108

                                    @RonnyAdsetts @tokyo_0 @ItsePerkele @janeishly @neil You can definitely setup any existing Windows with local account only, and no password. Just search for latest instructions at time of install.

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                                    • jannem@fosstodon.orgJ jannem@fosstodon.org

                                      @slothrop @neil
                                      You know, I'm in my fifties. And over the past 40 years I've gone from a liberal centrist to a socialist radical, without changing my opinions.

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                                      #109

                                      @jannem @slothrop @neil I feel seen.

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                                      • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                        The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                                        #110

                                        @neil I'm being so serious when I say that I would simply stop using computers.

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                                        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                          Perhaps I am some kind of dangerous computer radical these days, thinking that one should be able to buy or make a computer, install one's choice of OSs and software, create a local user account, and get on with one's affairs, privately and without interference.

                                          Quiet enjoyment of one's computer.

                                          * No age or ID verification

                                          * No jumping through hoops to install software, or third parties restricting the software that one can run

                                          * No third party accounts

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                                          #111

                                          @neil and I've been really disappointed by people who I generally respect coming back with the argument "you're not a parent are you? Do you know how hard it is to stop a kid from breaking out of parental controls when the goal is to join their friends on Roblox or whatever?"

                                          I do get that. But it seems like the classic "we have a social problem here. Let's not try to fix it with tech"

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