Wow. The gloves are truly off.

[lettosprey@tech.lgbt]

@steve Is it?We seem to have had the "we must choose between capitalism or climate goals" for a bit, and capitalism always wins, so I am not sure they run a risk by flagging this... Sadly.. it seems a clean, winning "forget climate, because money" argument... @jaztrophysicist @MonniauxD

[xerge@mastodon.nl]

@jaztrophysicist AI datacenters and massive profits for billionaires, or a livable future for humanity. Only neoliberal politicians think that’s a difficult choice. Unfortunately, that’s what we’ve got currently.

[christo_459@mastodon.me.uk]

@jaztrophysicist
Well if Europe wants to die

[meneerdebruin@mastodon.nl]

@jaztrophysicist Well that's an easy choice. Climate goals of course.

There is a third option which they apparently do not even want to contemplate: Want an ai data center? Then ensure there is enough alternative energy and water. No taking of the publicly available pool of resources.

[jaztrophysicist@social.sciences.re]

@MeneerDeBruin Too bad our representatives are doing the exact opposite one.

[georgebaily@mastodon.social]

@jaztrophysicist PR strategy: let's say the quiet part out loud because (checks notes) late stage capitalism brah

[wooshell@chaosfurs.social]

@jaztrophysicist The AI bubble will be gone in a year, the climate.. less so. So the choice is very clear.
The EU commission is going to focus on AI, when the whole population would prefer them to focus on the environment.

[vampirdaddy@chaos.social]

@jaztrophysicist
Gas plants are a US electricity network problem.

Where electricity connection is missing, gas pipelines also are lacking. Thus a non-argument in the EU.

[ovrim@wien.rocks]

@jaztrophysicist that's easy : get rid of the #AIHoax ....

[thijs_goverde@mastodon.nl]

@jaztrophysicist
Funny! I never expected to hear the data centre lobby say something I've been saying about data centres...

But yes, the EU must choose. I do hope they will choose wisely!

(if their other choices, eg pro-poisoning ourselves with pesticides, are anything to go by they will, alas, choose... poorly.)

[naturemc@mastodon.online]

@Christo_459 more climate crisis will kill more than only Europeans, starting in poor countries ... @jaztrophysicist

[naturemc@mastodon.online]

@vampirdaddy You missed, what German minister "Gas Kathy" aka Katherina Reiche plans?
@jaztrophysicist

[disco3000@climatejustice.social]

@jaztrophysicist then climate change please. Nobody wants the enshitification of everything with AI slop

[jaztrophysicist@social.sciences.re]

@disco3000 it's not really a "choice" they are proposing of course they are lobbyists.

[christo_459@mastodon.me.uk]

@NatureMC @jaztrophysicist

[orange_lux@eldritch.cafe]

@jaztrophysicist I'd rephrase your summary by saying "Europe must choose AI over climate goals, data center lobby says", because I naively thought the conclusion would be the other one, and BOY WAS I WRONG.

[jaztrophysicist@social.sciences.re]

@orange_lux ( it's not my summary, it's politico's one)

[orange_lux@eldritch.cafe]

@jaztrophysicist oh yes, you're right. But still.

[jaztrophysicist@social.sciences.re]

@vampirdaddy @NatureMC or, more likely taxpayer citizens will foot the bill (financial and ecological)

[nichni@mastodonapp.uk]

@jaztrophysicist No brainer, isn't it?