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  • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

    A few months ago, a client asked me to shave about €200 a month off our agreement. "We’re trying to cut back on expenses", he said, "to boost our cash flow." I was hesitant, but hey, I agreed.

    Fast forward to this morning: one of his team members calls me asking for help because - and I quote - "both Claude and ChatGPT are giving me answers that just don't feel right."

    I asked for a little context, only to find out they had upgraded to the top-tier plans for both AIs so they could "solve problems on their own without bothering me."

    So, I dropped my client a line: we either revert to our original agreement, or we wrap up this collaboration effective immediately.

    Asking me for a discount just to throw far more money at AI subscriptions - only to call me anyway when the bots fail - is, to say the least, a slap (or slop?) in the face.

    #IT #SysAdmin

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    #38

    @stefano
    "Sure, I'd like to help. But see, the thing is, I need to improve me cashflow meself"

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    • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

      A few months ago, a client asked me to shave about €200 a month off our agreement. "We’re trying to cut back on expenses", he said, "to boost our cash flow." I was hesitant, but hey, I agreed.

      Fast forward to this morning: one of his team members calls me asking for help because - and I quote - "both Claude and ChatGPT are giving me answers that just don't feel right."

      I asked for a little context, only to find out they had upgraded to the top-tier plans for both AIs so they could "solve problems on their own without bothering me."

      So, I dropped my client a line: we either revert to our original agreement, or we wrap up this collaboration effective immediately.

      Asking me for a discount just to throw far more money at AI subscriptions - only to call me anyway when the bots fail - is, to say the least, a slap (or slop?) in the face.

      #IT #SysAdmin

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      #39

      @stefano *coughs* retroactively *coughs*

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      • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

        A few months ago, a client asked me to shave about €200 a month off our agreement. "We’re trying to cut back on expenses", he said, "to boost our cash flow." I was hesitant, but hey, I agreed.

        Fast forward to this morning: one of his team members calls me asking for help because - and I quote - "both Claude and ChatGPT are giving me answers that just don't feel right."

        I asked for a little context, only to find out they had upgraded to the top-tier plans for both AIs so they could "solve problems on their own without bothering me."

        So, I dropped my client a line: we either revert to our original agreement, or we wrap up this collaboration effective immediately.

        Asking me for a discount just to throw far more money at AI subscriptions - only to call me anyway when the bots fail - is, to say the least, a slap (or slop?) in the face.

        #IT #SysAdmin

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        #40

        @stefano I'm sorry about your shitty client.

        Years ago I did consulting for a large financial client (who were in a legal bind) and it leaked publicly that they were going to ask all their freelancers to significantly reduce their rates. So, doing the same work, but for less.

        So many went along with the request. It blows my mind how willing we are to accommodate capitalism.

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        • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

          A few months ago, a client asked me to shave about €200 a month off our agreement. "We’re trying to cut back on expenses", he said, "to boost our cash flow." I was hesitant, but hey, I agreed.

          Fast forward to this morning: one of his team members calls me asking for help because - and I quote - "both Claude and ChatGPT are giving me answers that just don't feel right."

          I asked for a little context, only to find out they had upgraded to the top-tier plans for both AIs so they could "solve problems on their own without bothering me."

          So, I dropped my client a line: we either revert to our original agreement, or we wrap up this collaboration effective immediately.

          Asking me for a discount just to throw far more money at AI subscriptions - only to call me anyway when the bots fail - is, to say the least, a slap (or slop?) in the face.

          #IT #SysAdmin

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          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #41

          @stefano Did they understand the error in their ways or were they too deep in the AI psychosis?

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          • oxy@social.bsdlab.auO oxy@social.bsdlab.au
            @stefano @energisch_ always has been
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            #42

            @oxy @stefano @energisch_

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            • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

              A few months ago, a client asked me to shave about €200 a month off our agreement. "We’re trying to cut back on expenses", he said, "to boost our cash flow." I was hesitant, but hey, I agreed.

              Fast forward to this morning: one of his team members calls me asking for help because - and I quote - "both Claude and ChatGPT are giving me answers that just don't feel right."

              I asked for a little context, only to find out they had upgraded to the top-tier plans for both AIs so they could "solve problems on their own without bothering me."

              So, I dropped my client a line: we either revert to our original agreement, or we wrap up this collaboration effective immediately.

              Asking me for a discount just to throw far more money at AI subscriptions - only to call me anyway when the bots fail - is, to say the least, a slap (or slop?) in the face.

              #IT #SysAdmin

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              #43

              @stefano triple the rate

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              • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                A few months ago, a client asked me to shave about €200 a month off our agreement. "We’re trying to cut back on expenses", he said, "to boost our cash flow." I was hesitant, but hey, I agreed.

                Fast forward to this morning: one of his team members calls me asking for help because - and I quote - "both Claude and ChatGPT are giving me answers that just don't feel right."

                I asked for a little context, only to find out they had upgraded to the top-tier plans for both AIs so they could "solve problems on their own without bothering me."

                So, I dropped my client a line: we either revert to our original agreement, or we wrap up this collaboration effective immediately.

                Asking me for a discount just to throw far more money at AI subscriptions - only to call me anyway when the bots fail - is, to say the least, a slap (or slop?) in the face.

                #IT #SysAdmin

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                #44

                @stefano Precious.

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                • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                  A few months ago, a client asked me to shave about €200 a month off our agreement. "We’re trying to cut back on expenses", he said, "to boost our cash flow." I was hesitant, but hey, I agreed.

                  Fast forward to this morning: one of his team members calls me asking for help because - and I quote - "both Claude and ChatGPT are giving me answers that just don't feel right."

                  I asked for a little context, only to find out they had upgraded to the top-tier plans for both AIs so they could "solve problems on their own without bothering me."

                  So, I dropped my client a line: we either revert to our original agreement, or we wrap up this collaboration effective immediately.

                  Asking me for a discount just to throw far more money at AI subscriptions - only to call me anyway when the bots fail - is, to say the least, a slap (or slop?) in the face.

                  #IT #SysAdmin

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                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #45

                  @stefano there is no way back, you either swim with the sharks, or are out of the door. Here in the Fediverse you might be the "No AI" hero for a day, but many other #SysAdmin have no problem working with AI

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                  • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                    A few months ago, a client asked me to shave about €200 a month off our agreement. "We’re trying to cut back on expenses", he said, "to boost our cash flow." I was hesitant, but hey, I agreed.

                    Fast forward to this morning: one of his team members calls me asking for help because - and I quote - "both Claude and ChatGPT are giving me answers that just don't feel right."

                    I asked for a little context, only to find out they had upgraded to the top-tier plans for both AIs so they could "solve problems on their own without bothering me."

                    So, I dropped my client a line: we either revert to our original agreement, or we wrap up this collaboration effective immediately.

                    Asking me for a discount just to throw far more money at AI subscriptions - only to call me anyway when the bots fail - is, to say the least, a slap (or slop?) in the face.

                    #IT #SysAdmin

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                    #46

                    @stefano "I can help you tomorrow: for now, you have run out of token credits on your reduced-price subscription to my brain"

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                    • grundeinkommenaberrichtig@mastodon.socialG grundeinkommenaberrichtig@mastodon.social

                      @stefano there is no way back, you either swim with the sharks, or are out of the door. Here in the Fediverse you might be the "No AI" hero for a day, but many other #SysAdmin have no problem working with AI

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                      #47

                      @GrundeinkommenAberRichtig

                      Yes, yes "resistance is futile". (Yawn)

                      @stefano

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                      • grundeinkommenaberrichtig@mastodon.socialG grundeinkommenaberrichtig@mastodon.social

                        @stefano there is no way back, you either swim with the sharks, or are out of the door. Here in the Fediverse you might be the "No AI" hero for a day, but many other #SysAdmin have no problem working with AI

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                        #48

                        @GrundeinkommenAberRichtig @stefano

                        Guess, you did not get the point... 🤔

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                        • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                          A few months ago, a client asked me to shave about €200 a month off our agreement. "We’re trying to cut back on expenses", he said, "to boost our cash flow." I was hesitant, but hey, I agreed.

                          Fast forward to this morning: one of his team members calls me asking for help because - and I quote - "both Claude and ChatGPT are giving me answers that just don't feel right."

                          I asked for a little context, only to find out they had upgraded to the top-tier plans for both AIs so they could "solve problems on their own without bothering me."

                          So, I dropped my client a line: we either revert to our original agreement, or we wrap up this collaboration effective immediately.

                          Asking me for a discount just to throw far more money at AI subscriptions - only to call me anyway when the bots fail - is, to say the least, a slap (or slop?) in the face.

                          #IT #SysAdmin

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                          #49

                          @stefano

                          The *headdesk* is real..!

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                          • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                            A few months ago, a client asked me to shave about €200 a month off our agreement. "We’re trying to cut back on expenses", he said, "to boost our cash flow." I was hesitant, but hey, I agreed.

                            Fast forward to this morning: one of his team members calls me asking for help because - and I quote - "both Claude and ChatGPT are giving me answers that just don't feel right."

                            I asked for a little context, only to find out they had upgraded to the top-tier plans for both AIs so they could "solve problems on their own without bothering me."

                            So, I dropped my client a line: we either revert to our original agreement, or we wrap up this collaboration effective immediately.

                            Asking me for a discount just to throw far more money at AI subscriptions - only to call me anyway when the bots fail - is, to say the least, a slap (or slop?) in the face.

                            #IT #SysAdmin

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                            #50

                            @stefano "consulting on Al is not part of our current agreement"

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                            • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                              A few months ago, a client asked me to shave about €200 a month off our agreement. "We’re trying to cut back on expenses", he said, "to boost our cash flow." I was hesitant, but hey, I agreed.

                              Fast forward to this morning: one of his team members calls me asking for help because - and I quote - "both Claude and ChatGPT are giving me answers that just don't feel right."

                              I asked for a little context, only to find out they had upgraded to the top-tier plans for both AIs so they could "solve problems on their own without bothering me."

                              So, I dropped my client a line: we either revert to our original agreement, or we wrap up this collaboration effective immediately.

                              Asking me for a discount just to throw far more money at AI subscriptions - only to call me anyway when the bots fail - is, to say the least, a slap (or slop?) in the face.

                              #IT #SysAdmin

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                              #51

                              @stefano original agreement, minus a few things in your favour. Work out a few benefits

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                              • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                                A few months ago, a client asked me to shave about €200 a month off our agreement. "We’re trying to cut back on expenses", he said, "to boost our cash flow." I was hesitant, but hey, I agreed.

                                Fast forward to this morning: one of his team members calls me asking for help because - and I quote - "both Claude and ChatGPT are giving me answers that just don't feel right."

                                I asked for a little context, only to find out they had upgraded to the top-tier plans for both AIs so they could "solve problems on their own without bothering me."

                                So, I dropped my client a line: we either revert to our original agreement, or we wrap up this collaboration effective immediately.

                                Asking me for a discount just to throw far more money at AI subscriptions - only to call me anyway when the bots fail - is, to say the least, a slap (or slop?) in the face.

                                #IT #SysAdmin

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                                #52

                                @stefano I dropped a client when my contact there started sending me ai authored responses to emails we're having between each other.

                                The giveaway in that instance was every reply contained a summary of everything that I'd said in the email that I'd sent to them. Rather than them. Just replying okay, thank you. It would be, thank you, I understand that I need to.. [insert every step that I wrote in my email].

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                                • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                                  A few months ago, a client asked me to shave about €200 a month off our agreement. "We’re trying to cut back on expenses", he said, "to boost our cash flow." I was hesitant, but hey, I agreed.

                                  Fast forward to this morning: one of his team members calls me asking for help because - and I quote - "both Claude and ChatGPT are giving me answers that just don't feel right."

                                  I asked for a little context, only to find out they had upgraded to the top-tier plans for both AIs so they could "solve problems on their own without bothering me."

                                  So, I dropped my client a line: we either revert to our original agreement, or we wrap up this collaboration effective immediately.

                                  Asking me for a discount just to throw far more money at AI subscriptions - only to call me anyway when the bots fail - is, to say the least, a slap (or slop?) in the face.

                                  #IT #SysAdmin

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                                  #53

                                  @stefano

                                  on the one hand, a slap in the face

                                  but OTOH, this is 100% SOP for the world of business

                                  in the 1990s, there was a meme about how the last job an American factory worker had before being laid off was to train his Chinese ( or sometimes Japanese) replacement

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                                  • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                                    A few months ago, a client asked me to shave about €200 a month off our agreement. "We’re trying to cut back on expenses", he said, "to boost our cash flow." I was hesitant, but hey, I agreed.

                                    Fast forward to this morning: one of his team members calls me asking for help because - and I quote - "both Claude and ChatGPT are giving me answers that just don't feel right."

                                    I asked for a little context, only to find out they had upgraded to the top-tier plans for both AIs so they could "solve problems on their own without bothering me."

                                    So, I dropped my client a line: we either revert to our original agreement, or we wrap up this collaboration effective immediately.

                                    Asking me for a discount just to throw far more money at AI subscriptions - only to call me anyway when the bots fail - is, to say the least, a slap (or slop?) in the face.

                                    #IT #SysAdmin

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                                    #54

                                    @stefano Good for you. I've had similar (cut in contracting hours due to "business issues), then finding out the enterprise AI accounts cost too much. Besides -- they can use AI to do my work (Technical writer). F*** them.

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                                    • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                                      A few months ago, a client asked me to shave about €200 a month off our agreement. "We’re trying to cut back on expenses", he said, "to boost our cash flow." I was hesitant, but hey, I agreed.

                                      Fast forward to this morning: one of his team members calls me asking for help because - and I quote - "both Claude and ChatGPT are giving me answers that just don't feel right."

                                      I asked for a little context, only to find out they had upgraded to the top-tier plans for both AIs so they could "solve problems on their own without bothering me."

                                      So, I dropped my client a line: we either revert to our original agreement, or we wrap up this collaboration effective immediately.

                                      Asking me for a discount just to throw far more money at AI subscriptions - only to call me anyway when the bots fail - is, to say the least, a slap (or slop?) in the face.

                                      #IT #SysAdmin

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                                      rooktallon@tweesecake.social
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                                      #55

                                      @FreakyFwoof @stefano Just out of curiosity, what is it you charge for? What's your expertese?

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                                      • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                                        A few months ago, a client asked me to shave about €200 a month off our agreement. "We’re trying to cut back on expenses", he said, "to boost our cash flow." I was hesitant, but hey, I agreed.

                                        Fast forward to this morning: one of his team members calls me asking for help because - and I quote - "both Claude and ChatGPT are giving me answers that just don't feel right."

                                        I asked for a little context, only to find out they had upgraded to the top-tier plans for both AIs so they could "solve problems on their own without bothering me."

                                        So, I dropped my client a line: we either revert to our original agreement, or we wrap up this collaboration effective immediately.

                                        Asking me for a discount just to throw far more money at AI subscriptions - only to call me anyway when the bots fail - is, to say the least, a slap (or slop?) in the face.

                                        #IT #SysAdmin

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                                        #56

                                        @stefano back when I was consulting I had two rates, one for going with me first, a higher one for going with someone cheaper and then coming back to me to fix it.

                                        I was very clear and transparent and up front with potential customers on any first sales call. Some came back and paid the rate and turned into great customers, some didn't and I'm happy for both outcomes.

                                        My go-to quote was "If you think hiring a professional is expensive, wait until you hire an amateur." (Red Adair)

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                                        • jaz@toot.walesJ jaz@toot.wales

                                          @stefano back when I was consulting I had two rates, one for going with me first, a higher one for going with someone cheaper and then coming back to me to fix it.

                                          I was very clear and transparent and up front with potential customers on any first sales call. Some came back and paid the rate and turned into great customers, some didn't and I'm happy for both outcomes.

                                          My go-to quote was "If you think hiring a professional is expensive, wait until you hire an amateur." (Red Adair)

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                                          #57

                                          @stefano If I was consulting now I would probably look into a special service line that is simply cleaning up slop. Probably a wealth of work there, and sunk cost means they really want it fixed.

                                          Should be a way to up your rate for this work.

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