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  • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

    New blog-post: "When online commenters 'detect' my art as AI"

    → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1164/when-online-commenters-detect-my-art-as-ai

    lumi@snug.moeL This user is from outside of this forum
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    #138

    @davidrevoy this is yet another way how genai erodes trust in one-another and destroys communities ​​

    genai just shouldn't be used, ever. not for visual art, not for music, not for code, not for writing; nothing

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    • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

      New blog-post: "When online commenters 'detect' my art as AI"

      → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1164/when-online-commenters-detect-my-art-as-ai

      doctormo@floss.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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      #139

      @davidrevoy

      Aw that commend about text feels a little too sharp as it's likely the text bubbles and text layout are inkscape. 😅

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      • mudlark@bark.lgbtM mudlark@bark.lgbt

        @davidrevoy I’m sorry you’re getting these comments. Your art is so full of heart I’ve never really thought to compare it to aigen. I don’t see how people see any similarities to be honest.

        I love your art, the way you draw fantasy worlds and characters is a big inspiration to me. And it’s so cool to see that you do it all with Krita, it makes me want to give it a go and finally make that switch.

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        #140

        @Mudlark Do iiit! 8D It's free! You have nothing to lose! And it's so much fun.

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        • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

          New blog-post: "When online commenters 'detect' my art as AI"

          → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1164/when-online-commenters-detect-my-art-as-ai

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          #141

          @davidrevoy

          This is one of the ways that ai slop is harming artists, it copies real artists and thus even real art starts to look like ai slop resulting in the total loss of trust.

          It's why we have to be very opposed to it and make sure to let people know when no ai slop is used. Welcome to the future that techbros want.

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          • tristen@illo.socialT tristen@illo.social

            @arabine @davidrevoy lol

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            #142

            @tristen @arabine 😉

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            • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

              New blog-post: "When online commenters 'detect' my art as AI"

              → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1164/when-online-commenters-detect-my-art-as-ai

              yon@sakurajima.moeY This user is from outside of this forum
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              #143

              @davidrevoy The dark truth is that the vast majority (me included) can’t pick out AI very well. It has to be quite obvious.And imho the worst part is that all of this is big corpo. The models especially.

              If you could run AI locally on your machine and train it with your own material, I think it would be up to you if you wanted to/what you’d do with it.

              But they took that choice away.

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              • doctormo@floss.socialD doctormo@floss.social

                @davidrevoy

                Aw that commend about text feels a little too sharp as it's likely the text bubbles and text layout are inkscape. 😅

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                #144

                @doctormo Yeah, I think David once said that he created the font based on his handwriting, or a hand-written comic script? But the bubble one is really something! I guess they expected him to painstakingly paint the bubbles by hand instead of... using a vector template like most folks would.

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                • toonlink@fandom.inkT toonlink@fandom.ink

                  @mousey Whaaaat? o: That's crazy! ... And kind of eye-opening!

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                  #145

                  @ToonLink I suspect buying followers has been a business since monolithic, corporately owned social media convinced people that "influencer" could be a "business".. if not a lot longer.

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                  • yon@sakurajima.moeY yon@sakurajima.moe

                    @davidrevoy The dark truth is that the vast majority (me included) can’t pick out AI very well. It has to be quite obvious.And imho the worst part is that all of this is big corpo. The models especially.

                    If you could run AI locally on your machine and train it with your own material, I think it would be up to you if you wanted to/what you’d do with it.

                    But they took that choice away.

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                    #146

                    @yon To be fair, I can't pick well and detect recent gen AI too... I also had recently this "feeling an art was AI" only to discover behind the art a human who shared tutorial, video of process, etc...

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                    • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                      New blog-post: "When online commenters 'detect' my art as AI"

                      → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1164/when-online-commenters-detect-my-art-as-ai

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                      #147

                      @davidrevoy

                      @pluralistic

                      Worth a look.

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                      • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                        New blog-post: "When online commenters 'detect' my art as AI"

                        → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1164/when-online-commenters-detect-my-art-as-ai

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                        #148
                        @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
                        It's kinda sad how people got to the point that they see ai everywhere
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                        • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                          @DamonWakes @davidrevoy I don't really think it even has "that look" so bad. There's something about AI cartoon faces that (acknowledging survivorship bias of course) sets off my "I'm about to be mugged in the Uncanny Alley" instincts.

                          (and this is a bit odd to me, since I struggle a bit with actual human faces.)

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                          #149

                          @datarama @DamonWakes @davidrevoy
                          Yeah, I don't get the slop ick from his comics and I'm pretty sensitive to it.

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                          • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                            New blog-post: "When online commenters 'detect' my art as AI"

                            → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1164/when-online-commenters-detect-my-art-as-ai

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                            #150

                            @davidrevoy

                            Come to think of it, Trump and most of the GOP look like AI.

                            Everything looks like AI.

                            Our greatest human achievement.

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                            • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                              @yon To be fair, I can't pick well and detect recent gen AI too... I also had recently this "feeling an art was AI" only to discover behind the art a human who shared tutorial, video of process, etc...

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                              #151

                              @davidrevoy Which is why jumping on people isn’t the answer to anything. Doesn’t help anyone’s cause. The false positives are just too common.

                              If anything it will become more a case of trust. I know your art from here, and I trust that you wouldn’t knowingly post someone else who isn’t at least reasonably trustworthy.

                              Basically human connections need to get more important in general. Especially with all the propaganda bots.

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                              • toonlink@fandom.inkT toonlink@fandom.ink

                                @doctormo Yeah, I think David once said that he created the font based on his handwriting, or a hand-written comic script? But the bubble one is really something! I guess they expected him to painstakingly paint the bubbles by hand instead of... using a vector template like most folks would.

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                                #152

                                @ToonLink @doctormo And I use the vector so the translator can slightly reshape the bubble easily without loosing definition; so, it's part of my constrain for the translation system.

                                Yes, for the font, it's 'Patrick Hand' where I modified all characters to look like my handwriting "Deevad Hand" with some constrains of readibility, accessibility, etc... I ran a lot of test before starting the weekly, like https://framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/112303717759370313

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                                • raccoon@hollow.raccoon.questR raccoon@hollow.raccoon.quest
                                  @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
                                  It's kinda sad how people got to the point that they see ai everywhere
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                                  #153

                                  @raccoon @davidrevoy and sadder when people conclude the problem is the "anti-AI crowd" and not the AIbros who poisoned the well

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                                  • matildalove@wetdry.worldM matildalove@wetdry.world

                                    @raccoon @davidrevoy and sadder when people conclude the problem is the "anti-AI crowd" and not the AIbros who poisoned the well

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                                    #154
                                    @matildalove@wetdry.world @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
                                    Yeah 😞
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                                    • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                                      @ToonLink @doctormo And I use the vector so the translator can slightly reshape the bubble easily without loosing definition; so, it's part of my constrain for the translation system.

                                      Yes, for the font, it's 'Patrick Hand' where I modified all characters to look like my handwriting "Deevad Hand" with some constrains of readibility, accessibility, etc... I ran a lot of test before starting the weekly, like https://framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/112303717759370313

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                                      #155

                                      @davidrevoy @doctormo Yeah, that too!! It would be so hard for a translator to try to adapt a dynamic text layout to a hand-painted bubble. It's all wasted time and effort for no gain at all.

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                                      • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                                        @mousey 😵 Amazing setup, I had no idea there were companies like that. Do they handle boosting things? like followers count? comments, engagement? in exchange of money? It looks like each operator control at least 50 devices.

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                                        #156

                                        @davidrevoy @mousey This is nothing, check out this news: https://www.europol.europa.eu/media-press/newsroom/news/cybercrime-service-takedown-7-arrested

                                        7 people, hundreds of thousands of SIM cards, more than 49 million online accounts. Gives you the sense of scale. Now think about how many fake accounts nation states can create and use. Those accounts need fake interactions to appear real. Such accusations are an easy way to get those interactions.

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                                        • E elgregor@social.librem.one

                                          @davidrevoy @mousey This is nothing, check out this news: https://www.europol.europa.eu/media-press/newsroom/news/cybercrime-service-takedown-7-arrested

                                          7 people, hundreds of thousands of SIM cards, more than 49 million online accounts. Gives you the sense of scale. Now think about how many fake accounts nation states can create and use. Those accounts need fake interactions to appear real. Such accusations are an easy way to get those interactions.

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                                          #157

                                          @elgregor @mousey 😮 The photo.... 40 000 active SIM cards! Oh no.

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