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  • tristen@illo.socialT tristen@illo.social

    @arabine @davidrevoy lol

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    #142

    @tristen @arabine 😉

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    • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

      New blog-post: "When online commenters 'detect' my art as AI"

      → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1164/when-online-commenters-detect-my-art-as-ai

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      #143

      @davidrevoy The dark truth is that the vast majority (me included) can’t pick out AI very well. It has to be quite obvious.And imho the worst part is that all of this is big corpo. The models especially.

      If you could run AI locally on your machine and train it with your own material, I think it would be up to you if you wanted to/what you’d do with it.

      But they took that choice away.

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      • doctormo@floss.socialD doctormo@floss.social

        @davidrevoy

        Aw that commend about text feels a little too sharp as it's likely the text bubbles and text layout are inkscape. 😅

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        #144

        @doctormo Yeah, I think David once said that he created the font based on his handwriting, or a hand-written comic script? But the bubble one is really something! I guess they expected him to painstakingly paint the bubbles by hand instead of... using a vector template like most folks would.

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        • toonlink@fandom.inkT toonlink@fandom.ink

          @mousey Whaaaat? o: That's crazy! ... And kind of eye-opening!

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          #145

          @ToonLink I suspect buying followers has been a business since monolithic, corporately owned social media convinced people that "influencer" could be a "business".. if not a lot longer.

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          • yon@sakurajima.moeY yon@sakurajima.moe

            @davidrevoy The dark truth is that the vast majority (me included) can’t pick out AI very well. It has to be quite obvious.And imho the worst part is that all of this is big corpo. The models especially.

            If you could run AI locally on your machine and train it with your own material, I think it would be up to you if you wanted to/what you’d do with it.

            But they took that choice away.

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            #146

            @yon To be fair, I can't pick well and detect recent gen AI too... I also had recently this "feeling an art was AI" only to discover behind the art a human who shared tutorial, video of process, etc...

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            • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

              New blog-post: "When online commenters 'detect' my art as AI"

              → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1164/when-online-commenters-detect-my-art-as-ai

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              #147

              @davidrevoy

              @pluralistic

              Worth a look.

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              • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                New blog-post: "When online commenters 'detect' my art as AI"

                → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1164/when-online-commenters-detect-my-art-as-ai

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                #148
                @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
                It's kinda sad how people got to the point that they see ai everywhere
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                • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                  @DamonWakes @davidrevoy I don't really think it even has "that look" so bad. There's something about AI cartoon faces that (acknowledging survivorship bias of course) sets off my "I'm about to be mugged in the Uncanny Alley" instincts.

                  (and this is a bit odd to me, since I struggle a bit with actual human faces.)

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                  #149

                  @datarama @DamonWakes @davidrevoy
                  Yeah, I don't get the slop ick from his comics and I'm pretty sensitive to it.

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                  • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                    New blog-post: "When online commenters 'detect' my art as AI"

                    → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1164/when-online-commenters-detect-my-art-as-ai

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                    #150

                    @davidrevoy

                    Come to think of it, Trump and most of the GOP look like AI.

                    Everything looks like AI.

                    Our greatest human achievement.

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                    • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                      @yon To be fair, I can't pick well and detect recent gen AI too... I also had recently this "feeling an art was AI" only to discover behind the art a human who shared tutorial, video of process, etc...

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                      #151

                      @davidrevoy Which is why jumping on people isn’t the answer to anything. Doesn’t help anyone’s cause. The false positives are just too common.

                      If anything it will become more a case of trust. I know your art from here, and I trust that you wouldn’t knowingly post someone else who isn’t at least reasonably trustworthy.

                      Basically human connections need to get more important in general. Especially with all the propaganda bots.

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                      • toonlink@fandom.inkT toonlink@fandom.ink

                        @doctormo Yeah, I think David once said that he created the font based on his handwriting, or a hand-written comic script? But the bubble one is really something! I guess they expected him to painstakingly paint the bubbles by hand instead of... using a vector template like most folks would.

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                        #152

                        @ToonLink @doctormo And I use the vector so the translator can slightly reshape the bubble easily without loosing definition; so, it's part of my constrain for the translation system.

                        Yes, for the font, it's 'Patrick Hand' where I modified all characters to look like my handwriting "Deevad Hand" with some constrains of readibility, accessibility, etc... I ran a lot of test before starting the weekly, like https://framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/112303717759370313

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                        • raccoon@hollow.raccoon.questR raccoon@hollow.raccoon.quest
                          @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
                          It's kinda sad how people got to the point that they see ai everywhere
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                          #153

                          @raccoon @davidrevoy and sadder when people conclude the problem is the "anti-AI crowd" and not the AIbros who poisoned the well

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                          • matildalove@wetdry.worldM matildalove@wetdry.world

                            @raccoon @davidrevoy and sadder when people conclude the problem is the "anti-AI crowd" and not the AIbros who poisoned the well

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                            #154
                            @matildalove@wetdry.world @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
                            Yeah 😞
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                            • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                              @ToonLink @doctormo And I use the vector so the translator can slightly reshape the bubble easily without loosing definition; so, it's part of my constrain for the translation system.

                              Yes, for the font, it's 'Patrick Hand' where I modified all characters to look like my handwriting "Deevad Hand" with some constrains of readibility, accessibility, etc... I ran a lot of test before starting the weekly, like https://framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/112303717759370313

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                              #155

                              @davidrevoy @doctormo Yeah, that too!! It would be so hard for a translator to try to adapt a dynamic text layout to a hand-painted bubble. It's all wasted time and effort for no gain at all.

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                              • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                                @mousey 😵 Amazing setup, I had no idea there were companies like that. Do they handle boosting things? like followers count? comments, engagement? in exchange of money? It looks like each operator control at least 50 devices.

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                                elgregor@social.librem.one
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                                #156

                                @davidrevoy @mousey This is nothing, check out this news: https://www.europol.europa.eu/media-press/newsroom/news/cybercrime-service-takedown-7-arrested

                                7 people, hundreds of thousands of SIM cards, more than 49 million online accounts. Gives you the sense of scale. Now think about how many fake accounts nation states can create and use. Those accounts need fake interactions to appear real. Such accusations are an easy way to get those interactions.

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                                • E elgregor@social.librem.one

                                  @davidrevoy @mousey This is nothing, check out this news: https://www.europol.europa.eu/media-press/newsroom/news/cybercrime-service-takedown-7-arrested

                                  7 people, hundreds of thousands of SIM cards, more than 49 million online accounts. Gives you the sense of scale. Now think about how many fake accounts nation states can create and use. Those accounts need fake interactions to appear real. Such accusations are an easy way to get those interactions.

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                                  #157

                                  @elgregor @mousey 😮 The photo.... 40 000 active SIM cards! Oh no.

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                                  • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                                    New blog-post: "When online commenters 'detect' my art as AI"

                                    → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1164/when-online-commenters-detect-my-art-as-ai

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                                    #158

                                    @davidrevoy oof that's gotta sting. For what it's worth I think your art is gorgeous and you got me into trying using Krita for my conference talk slides even though I'm an amateur

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                                    • mousey@mastodon.seattlematrix.orgM mousey@mastodon.seattlematrix.org

                                      @ToonLink I suspect buying followers has been a business since monolithic, corporately owned social media convinced people that "influencer" could be a "business".. if not a lot longer.

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                                      #159

                                      @mousey Oh, definitely. It probably has its roots in SEO, too, though I admittedly have no idea what the nuts and bolts of that are. But especially for as long as a business can be driven on an "algorithm" and engagement.

                                      Still... yeesh. I'd just had a thought that this might be where some of my recycled tech is going, and that gave me a weird feeling inside.

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                                      • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                                        New blog-post: "When online commenters 'detect' my art as AI"

                                        → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1164/when-online-commenters-detect-my-art-as-ai

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                                        #160

                                        @davidrevoy yep sylvia gets these too. not nice.

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                                        • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                                          New blog-post: "When online commenters 'detect' my art as AI"

                                          → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1164/when-online-commenters-detect-my-art-as-ai

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                                          #161

                                          @davidrevoy I have this same problem with my writing in the past.

                                          Since then I've learned that AI has been taught on my published writing, and also trained off my art portfolio so likely scraped the 100,000s of words there.

                                          So the thing is, I'm not copying AI, it's likely AI is copying me.

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