Every time I try a new browser because the old browser was run by horrible people I find the new browser is also run by horrible people.

[robinp@mastodon.social]

@grumpygamer if you don't mind that it doesn't work, #Ladybird browser from the #SerenityOS people might be a thing.

[bryan@dusty.ninja]

@grumpygamer Safari

[arpie4math@mathstodon.xyz]

@virtualbri @grumpygamer

> “Enshittification” is a term coined by the author and activist Cory Doctorow, which describes the deliberate process of degradation of digital products and services.

Thanks @pluralistic

https://www.forbrukerradet.no/news-in-english/digital-products-and-services-are-getting-worse-but-the-trend-can-be-reversed/

[selvari21106@mastodon.social]

@grumpygamer ...is there something I don't know about Vivaldi?

[badambassador@social.vivaldi.net]

@GossiTheDog @grumpygamer same, been using it for years and they haven't done anything so far. Always time for them to sell it to the Chinese like they did with Opera, but here's hoping that doesn't happen.

[csolisr@hub.azkware.net]

And that's why some people are falling back to the freakin' Gemini protocol, of all things. Well, in this world, the only choices to not be accessory to evil are apparently either that or boycotting anything that runs on electricity

[csolisr@hub.azkware.net]

I still don't trust Vivaldi's closed-source part of their browser to be clean, in that sense even Brave has them beat to the part unfortunately. For now, I guess Waterfox is the least bad of the bunch

[sassinake@mastodon.social]

@eldadoinquieto @grumpygamer

works well enough for me. IronFox on Android

[yora@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@jcurioso @grumpygamer It's missing the ability to have the tabs above the URL bar. Which is the only place where they have any right to be.

Damn techno-fascism for making me endure this travesty.

[nickferg@mastodon.social]

@grumpygamer I’ve gone back to Netscape Navigator.

[dukeduke@mastodon.social]

@grumpygamer Lots of votes for Vivaldi here, but I can't be one of them. I use it as a secondary "trash" browser (for general surfing) alongside Librewolf, but with multiple installs on different platforms, it's always been buggy for me. Freeze-ups, random shutdowns, sluggishness, etc.

[oschell@mastodon.social]

@grumpygamer Zen so far as the greatest track record I believe

[betelgeuse93@mastodon.uno]

@snukey @GossiTheDog @grumpygamer zen is Hood, firefox with steroids

[jcurioso@mastodon.social]

@yora @grumpygamer

I never liked tabs over the URL bar, even less after I got used to vertical tabs, which are much more practical with modern widescreen monitors.

[kennergf@mas.to]

@sceneworld @grumpygamer yes, they are on the bad side

[ertain@mast.linuxgamecast.com]

@grumpygamer I've heard the Ladybird browser looks promising. However, it's not even in alpha yet.

[yora@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@jcurioso Suit yourself. But the url is part of the tab because it is different for each tab.
Therefore the url bar has to be within the tab.

[grumpygamer@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@Ertain Only on Windows so far. It does look promising as long as they don't jump on the AI bandwagon.

[ricardoharvin@mstdn.social]

@DukeDuke @grumpygamer

I've been using Vivaldi for a couple of years on iOS (my primary computer) with only one intermittent (and minor, to me) issue with loading some websites.

99% of the time it works smoothly, for me.

[donat@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@grumpygamer i used Vivaldi but technical issue with my Apple devices prevented me to use them. I discovered Startpage thanks to them. So far so good and evil-free.