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[paulc@mstdn.social]

@benroyce @GhostOnTheHalfShell @anthropy @blogdiva As to the battery issue, the good news is that lithium batteries are recyclable so over time lithium mining can get greatly reduced once we reach “peak battery.” Recycling batteries could provide a majority of the lithium needed, though there would always be a need for lithium mines.

Compare to oil which isn't recyclable and always needs to be replaced as we use it.

[tuban_muzuru@beige.party]

@benroyce @GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva

@GhostOnTheHalfShell looks at the problem from a kinetic energy perspective. Everything has undeniable conseqences - look at Lake Mead,

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@tuban_muzuru @GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva

right so we get our energy from the sun rather than digging it up. vast improvement

[dnkboston@apobangpo.space]

@FrancoisPrague #goals @benroyce @nikatjef @GhostOnTheHalfShell

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@FrancoisPrague @nikatjef @dnkboston @GhostOnTheHalfShell

thank you, sincerely, for the laugh

endless dreary nihilism and whiny toxic perfectionism from pinheads is a drag

[justinderrick@mstdn.ca]

@draNgNon @benroyce @GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva Also, EV batteries degrade far less than predicted, and have a valuable ‘second life’ as battery storage for a grid powered by renewables… and when they’re finally used up, they are up to 96% recyclable…. Reducing the need for more extraction.

You cannot re-burn gasoline or diesel.

[punissuer@universeodon.com]

@benroyce might I suggest they may have a point there?
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20240326-how-hydroelectric-dams-are-a-hidden-source-of-carbon-emissions
@GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@punissuer @GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva

i don't deny that point in the least

what i deny is this "well it's better, but it's not perfect, so let's just sit around and whine about being perfect, and thereby only help the status quo of terrible"

[archaeoiain@archaeo.social]

@jwcph @benroyce @GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva That is not what I said. It is the logic of your statement though. It is clear that government policies or even evil religions which encourage population growth and ban contraception are aiming in the opposite direction partly because the dominant economic models are derived from agrarian societies where more people could produce more so growth arose from growing population. Simple really.

[robo105@mastodon.social]

@blogdiva Canada had an oil boom at the same time and all the funds raise were wasted by giving it to oil & gas companies

[archaeoiain@archaeo.social]

@jwcph @benroyce @GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva and unlike you I am not envisaging people dying, just not being born

[tuban_muzuru@beige.party]

@benroyce @GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva

Global warming melted the glaciers and snowmass which filled Lake Mead. They'll never let it disappear completely, but hydro power will soon be gone

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@ChuckMcManis @paneerakbari @GhostOnTheHalfShell @anthropy @blogdiva

while i generally like breeder reactors you have to admit the teensy tiny problem that this is how we make plutonium for bombs

this is why breeder reactors are downplayed

otherwise i agree

[blogdiva@mastodon.social]

malthusianism is eugenics which is always founded on racism.

if you agree with anything malthusian, i would suggest going into cult deprogramming therapy.

malthusianism ―like eugenics, like racism, like capitalism― is a death cult.

@mark @anthropy @GhostOnTheHalfShell @benroyce

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@brad @GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva

but never in a million years did i make this

"get everyone an EV"

argument

replace all ICE with EV

*and* reduce cars in general

this is the ideal argument

[punissuer@universeodon.com]

@benroyce I don't know about you, but to me, this was new information. If that 2,200g CO2e/kWh is correct – which I don't know yet – and my math checks out, then a BEV powered by hydroelectric energy really isn't better than a smaller ICE car at all.
@GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva

[jakekb@mastodon.social]

@GhostOnTheHalfShell @benroyce @blogdiva It's insane how impossible it is to explain to these people that they will have to give up some of their conveniences if they actually want to solve climate change. You just told them to take the bus and they will hate you forever. They only know how to consume, they believe the only solution to their problems is economic growth and this planet is doomed.

[cmthiede@social.vivaldi.net]

@benroyce @adriano @GhostOnTheHalfShell @anthropy @blogdiva I think this thread shows that Earth's destruction is a touchy subject. I wish everyone could get along and share the land, but it's not profitable nor convenient. Creating a digital world for everyone to live in, on top of the one they already shit on, certainly isn't good for the planet, convince me otherwise. With so much of what we can't now live without, being something we never needed in the first place, progress seems more like a bait and switch tactic to move the herd than a promise of a bright future. I'll support whatever initiative buys the planet more inhabitable time.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@punissuer @GhostOnTheHalfShell @blogdiva

But it doesn't change the overall need to get off fossil fuels

Nevermind you can work to reduce the methane production from hydroelectric

So this issue you note is absolutely true, but it doesnt change the overall equation

In the end it only becomes a piece of whataboutism in defense of fossil fuels

Which I am not accusing you of. I'm just asking you to look at the big picture

[francoisprague@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @nikatjef @dnkboston @GhostOnTheHalfShell

Glad I could be of any (un)use
With love ️