No, in case you wonder, we haven't changed our minds.
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@jgg
For a private search enginge try startpage dot com
Anonymous mode and AI optional.AFAIK, Startpage results are taken from Google's engine, so it is not really independent.
Now that Google is ditching search results, I wonder what is Startpage going to do. Probably the same.
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@Vivaldi Perfect. I regularly use AI in a separate tab to help me figure out what I want to search for, and then do the search. So much of what AI "answers" is unnecessary and gets in the way of the answers you're actually looking for. I don't want context for every question or search. For those who do want it, they should be the ones forced to opt-in, rather than forcing the rest of us to opt-out.
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@Vivaldi how is it only a fringe news story that Google is overhauling the search? This has huge ramifications for everyday people; it's not just a tech or business news story.
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Duckduckgo results, according to Wikipedia, come from a diversity of sources, including Google and Bing, so they are not really independent, and as Google is removing real search results, with Bing very likely doing the same, they may be doing the same soon.
They made recently a poll about AI, with 90% of people refusing it; their answer was creating the noai version. That reveals a strong pro-ai bias, since the right thing would have been refusing to use AI at all, or creating a ai.duckduckgo.com and leaving the main domain AI free.
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I'm afraid none Spring to mind.
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@ArtHarg @Vivaldi Ride the wave. Harness AI. It is not about computing. It is about understanding computer and everything else. There is no more barrier to any human knowledge. There is no such thing as "specialist". The AI era is like the 70s when I bought my first Apple IIe. It is like the 80s when I bought my first 80286 PC with only a 30M harddisk. It is like the 90s when I learned html and some Javascript. It is a learning experience, not just about AI, but everything else.
@ahau @Vivaldi Riding a tidal wave will just leave you stranded inland. Of course there are still barriers and of course there will always be specialists. Specialists are the people who can see where AI gets it wrong. They are the people who understand, while AI does not. Cannot. If AI can replace you, you weren’t a specialist to begin with.
The thing is: you need to be a specialist to get the most out of AI. And you cannot be a specialist on everything.
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@ahau @Vivaldi Riding a tidal wave will just leave you stranded inland. Of course there are still barriers and of course there will always be specialists. Specialists are the people who can see where AI gets it wrong. They are the people who understand, while AI does not. Cannot. If AI can replace you, you weren’t a specialist to begin with.
The thing is: you need to be a specialist to get the most out of AI. And you cannot be a specialist on everything.
@ArtHarg @Vivaldi You see there is no real specialist. AI's training data is from sloppy humans. AI exposes the sloppiness and ignorance of humans. I am talking about specialists like Einstein and Maxwell. Their models are naive and are taught wrong at school. You don't need to be a specialist to understand what is wrong with these specialists. You only need a good brain even if you have very bad memories like myself. The age of ignorance is over. There is no more barrier to entry in anything.
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in this life
we are tolerant, except to the intolerant
we are sensitive, except to the insensitive
we are nonviolent, except to the violent
etc
and we are not toxic, except to the toxic
if you are not familiar with the Vivaldi account, or other major accounts, they attract this sort of endless pit of pathetic reply guys: they fill your screen with harsh whiny demands for perfection
never any appreciation
they are toxic shit
and i will call them out on it
@benroyce @H0W25 @YurkshireLad @Vivaldi
Proposing new features or refinements is another way to contribute to a project. Criticism is too, if it is made in a constructive way. Telling someone always that he is perfect and should never change can be terribly damaging in the long run, since it leads to self-complacency, stagnation and even narcissism. Software projects usually have more features to implement and bugs to resolve than resources to do it; but knowing what users demand is always useful.
The toxic criticism is when somebody throws a "Your browser is shit!" or "XYZ is much better!" with no explanation.
He may have started with a 'I love Vivaldi', it would have been nicer, but I think it was implicit somewhat. The irony here is that you have been far more harsher with him than he was in his first comment.
Anyway, I agree that it would be much better if Vivaldi were to have a homemade first class engine, but I'm not sure if the company has enough resources to do that. Pretty sure they would love to. In any case, it would take a long time to do that. About other engines, the only other mature options are Safari and Firefox engines. I don't think depending on Apple would be much better, and the fact is nearly everybody who makes a new browser chooses to use Chrome engine; I'm not sure why, I suspect Firefox's is not nearly as easy to reuse, but I'm only guessing.
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@benroyce @H0W25 @YurkshireLad @Vivaldi
Proposing new features or refinements is another way to contribute to a project. Criticism is too, if it is made in a constructive way. Telling someone always that he is perfect and should never change can be terribly damaging in the long run, since it leads to self-complacency, stagnation and even narcissism. Software projects usually have more features to implement and bugs to resolve than resources to do it; but knowing what users demand is always useful.
The toxic criticism is when somebody throws a "Your browser is shit!" or "XYZ is much better!" with no explanation.
He may have started with a 'I love Vivaldi', it would have been nicer, but I think it was implicit somewhat. The irony here is that you have been far more harsher with him than he was in his first comment.
Anyway, I agree that it would be much better if Vivaldi were to have a homemade first class engine, but I'm not sure if the company has enough resources to do that. Pretty sure they would love to. In any case, it would take a long time to do that. About other engines, the only other mature options are Safari and Firefox engines. I don't think depending on Apple would be much better, and the fact is nearly everybody who makes a new browser chooses to use Chrome engine; I'm not sure why, I suspect Firefox's is not nearly as easy to reuse, but I'm only guessing.
@jgg @H0W25 @YurkshireLad @Vivaldi
Well said
I would merely reply that the "no Chromium" in demanding terms without any appreciation is under every post Vivaldi makes
other large accounts also get these sort of endless pointless unhelpful pefectionist criticism without consideration
it's mindless and you're certainly welcome to consider my comment as unnecessary but i will merely say i'm on a trip about it becaise i'm sick of it
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@Catweazle @Skwerlgyrl @Petesmom @Vivaldi @Mojeek @kagihq
FYI: With Kagi you can pay with bitcoins, and registration doesn't require personal information.
NB: Andi uses AI (...)
@marc_eu @Skwerlgyrl @Petesmom @Vivaldi @Mojeek @kagihq
yes, was the first search assistant ever >4 years ago, former LazyWeb, I use it since than, before the AI hype.
Independent AI for semantic search, by a small startup of two devs, Jed White and Angie Hoover, more reliable as any other (independent tests) as what it is, apart of an active privacy protection (random proxy, sandboxed results, own reader mode, watching YT videos in the search result), no logs, no tracking, no ads or SEO crap, anonymous and free. It's way different from any other.
Instead of halucinations if it don't find the answer, it offers a traditional websearch.For the search of concepts and clear questions is way better as normal search engines, which only search expresions, means, showing 50000 pages which have nothing to do with your question.
Andi gives clear answers, contrastet with sources of several pages.
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@ArtHarg @Vivaldi You see there is no real specialist. AI's training data is from sloppy humans. AI exposes the sloppiness and ignorance of humans. I am talking about specialists like Einstein and Maxwell. Their models are naive and are taught wrong at school. You don't need to be a specialist to understand what is wrong with these specialists. You only need a good brain even if you have very bad memories like myself. The age of ignorance is over. There is no more barrier to entry in anything.
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Startpage was my choice and it works great with Vivaldi 8.0.
@Skwerlgyrl @Catweazle @Petesmom @Vivaldi Startpage is owned by an American advertising company, System1, for what it's worth.
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@Skwerlgyrl @Catweazle @Petesmom @Vivaldi Startpage is owned by an American advertising company, System1, for what it's worth.
@matt @Skwerlgyrl @Petesmom @Vivaldi I know that System1 Startpage owned, but there isn't any data which Startpage send to it, nor to any other third party
Here you can read the whole story
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i understand their whole BAT "basic attention token" model
you're downloading an entire catalog of ads and then being matched to ads locally, so i admit the privacy aspect
but it's still rather smarmy no? you get little tokens for viewing ads? yuck
i would like to offer an even better model to you:
no ads. block 'em
and crypto money schemes are looking quite tattered and decrepit nowadays, the whole sector is a dead end
it seems to be a late 2010s fad that is fading
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i understand their whole BAT "basic attention token" model
you're downloading an entire catalog of ads and then being matched to ads locally, so i admit the privacy aspect
but it's still rather smarmy no? you get little tokens for viewing ads? yuck
i would like to offer an even better model to you:
no ads. block 'em
and crypto money schemes are looking quite tattered and decrepit nowadays, the whole sector is a dead end
it seems to be a late 2010s fad that is fading
@benroyce @Vivaldi ya the bat price has fallen to the point it's basically worthless but it keeps the lights on, theyre one source, they use the mozilla license, and now on Linux they have a brave origin browser that has none of that unwanted bloat built in. I don't like the web browser situation but Vivaldi has always been one of my least favorites because it's proprietary and has a lot of bugs, and they're monetized by google
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@benroyce @Vivaldi ya the bat price has fallen to the point it's basically worthless but it keeps the lights on, theyre one source, they use the mozilla license, and now on Linux they have a brave origin browser that has none of that unwanted bloat built in. I don't like the web browser situation but Vivaldi has always been one of my least favorites because it's proprietary and has a lot of bugs, and they're monetized by google
as long as you realize all these crypto scheme models are going bye bye. it's antiquated already. the world is moving past crypto (thank god)
and vivaldi is not "monetized by google"
that's a lie
vivaldi does search engine partners and bookmark partners
vivaldi does not sell user data, build profiling algorithms, or accept monetization from Google
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as long as you realize all these crypto scheme models are going bye bye. it's antiquated already. the world is moving past crypto (thank god)
and vivaldi is not "monetized by google"
that's a lie
vivaldi does search engine partners and bookmark partners
vivaldi does not sell user data, build profiling algorithms, or accept monetization from Google
