@benroyce I feel so desperately sorry for this man.
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@clintruin @benroyce @quizzicus If the options are Newsom and the next MAGA cult leader then that course of action would mean that you’re fine with the MAGA cult leader. Is that really your intent?
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@benroyce @quizzicus
"fuck Newsom. but fuck the GOP more. and we better fucking show up in the primaries so it's not Newsom. if we don't, we don't really care about trans people"
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@clintruin @benroyce @quizzicus Which means you’re comfortable for someone far worse in power. You seem to lack understanding of how the US electoral system functions.
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@clintruin @benroyce @quizzicus Ah that explains your lack of understanding of the US electoral system. It is vastly different (and inferior) to more modern systems such as Canada’s.
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@clintruin @benroyce @quizzicus As I said earlier - no candidate is perfect. I didn’t vote for Biden in the primary, but I held my nose and voted for him in the general because he was the best of a bad lot of options. That’s usually how voting works - picking the least bad candidate, despite misgivings.
This toxic idealism you and the person you’re quoting are expressing is part of how we got Trump. Twice.
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@benroyce
Here's a look at that deal by Paul Krugman and what it really means:
https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/arithmetic-suffers-from-trump-derangement?r=63j6s&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email -
@clintruin @benroyce @quizzicus My apologies - I thought I was engaging with an adult.
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"Oh gee okay"
That's it?
Do you *want* GOP in power killing trans people? Or do you genuinely fail to make the connection between your intentions and the real world effects of your intentions?
Nevermind: fuck Newsom. So you're voting in the primaries against him
Right?
Answer that question
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"Oh gee okay"
That's it?
Do you *want* GOP in power killing trans people? Or do you genuinely fail to make the connection between your intentions and the real world effects of your intentions?
Nevermind: fuck Newsom. So you're voting in the primaries against him
Right?
Answer that question
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then...(and I mean this in the nicest possible way--seriously, no sarcasm)...you have a very short memory. It's okay. So do I. And I know you have many conversations, so I'm not taking it personally. -
@benroyce this is an excuse to seize SpaceX
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@JackMexa4 @benroyce Zelensky isn't a 'Nazi', but people should critize the Ukrainian government for making the leaders of the OUN/UPA to national heroes. They were Nazis, they slaughtered Jews and Poles before the real Nazis came along and then they helped the Nazis in the Holocaust.
There are also many neo-Nazis in the Ukrainian forces. Let's not belittle ourselves in ignoring this. It's a real problem.
The Ukrainian idoliazation of former OUN/UPA guys is shameful.
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@JackMexa4 @benroyce Zelensky isn't a 'Nazi', but people should critize the Ukrainian government for making the leaders of the OUN/UPA to national heroes. They were Nazis, they slaughtered Jews and Poles before the real Nazis came along and then they helped the Nazis in the Holocaust.
There are also many neo-Nazis in the Ukrainian forces. Let's not belittle ourselves in ignoring this. It's a real problem.
The Ukrainian idoliazation of former OUN/UPA guys is shameful.
@JackMexa4 @benroyce Right now, Ukraine has more important problems, obviously, but we should be critically about everybody if they're neo-Nazis themselve or they're idolializing former Nazis from the OUN/UPA..
Having said this, Zelensky isn't a Nazi, but the question of Nazism will come up in the future. Espacially when Zelensky isn't the president anymore..
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@JackMexa4 @benroyce Yeah, of course, but for this reason we should be able to critize Zelensky for going along with the Ukrainian admiration of the Nazis in the OUN/UPA. It's just wrong.
He shouldn't do something like this:
In Ukraine, a Divisive 20th-Century Figure Comes Home
Andriy Melnyk, criticized as a Nazi collaborator and lionized as an anti-Soviet resistance leader, was given state honors for his reburial near Kyiv.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/24/world/europe/ukraine-melnyk-nationalist-collaborator.html -
@JackMexa4 @benroyce there's a reason you have seen accusations but no proof...
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@benroyce I went to report them, and they've been suspended. @JackMexa4
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@JackMexa4 @benroyce Yes, that's my fear. What will happen after the war? I really don't know but I have some dark thoughts about it. And that's really unfortunately because my soladarity is with the Ukrainian people. They've suffered enough..
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@benroyce I feel so desperately sorry for this man. The pressure on him has been excruciating for years now.
@Remittancegirl @benroyce When this is over, the before-and-after photos of Zelenskyy will be as gut-wrenching as Lincoln’s.
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@benroyce I never thought much of Meloni's intentions, but she's probably 10,000 times as smart as Trump. At least she's pro-Europe, as far as she shows.
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